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Old 10-10-2017, 09:30 AM   #1
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I got this email add this morning. I am curious as to what is the physical limit of increasing antler size. 210” of bone on a yearling seems crazy. I remember not too long ago mid 300’s was a big deal. Now it seems mid 500’s is the deal.
What do you think will be the max on this type of growth?
Not looking for agree or disagree just a max inches peak in the future.




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Old 10-10-2017, 09:33 AM   #2
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They'll need to start selecting deer with traits for a stronger neck
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:33 AM   #3
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Not sure anyone knows the limit. Those in the business continue to find ways to grow larger racks.
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:34 AM   #4
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That's not deer, it's livestock.
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:34 AM   #5
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IDK, but it makes me a bit uncomfortable. To each their own.....
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:38 AM   #6
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Maybe they’ll start doing antler implant surgery...
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:41 AM   #7
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My buddies got a farm in Robinson and they had mid 600 I think last year year..... it’s nuts
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:42 AM   #8
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I want to know if those deer are even safe to eat.
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:44 AM   #9
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Maybe theyíll start doing antler implant surgery...
Thatís funny. I have a lot of bucks that would benefit from that.
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:46 AM   #10
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My buddies got a farm in Robinson and they had mid 600 I think last year year..... itís nuts
Wow! I wonder what the biggest one out there is. Will we see a 1000Ē buck in the next 10-15 years?
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:47 AM   #11
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what you reckon a straw of that stuff costs?
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:48 AM   #12
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I want to know if those deer are even safe to eat.


They may put some lead in your pencil
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:50 AM   #13
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My buddies got a farm in Robinson and they had mid 600 I think last year year..... itís nuts
What would a straw cost out of one of those?
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:50 AM   #14
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What email are you subscribed to that is sending stuff like this?
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:51 AM   #15
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Wow! I wonder what the biggest one out there is. Will we see a 1000Ē buck in the next 10-15 years?
I think they missed the record by something like 2 inches maybe- and I could be wrong here bc I canít remember exactly but I think his deer was 647 ish

Iím also thinking that record is broken yearly right now
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:53 AM   #16
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What email are you subscribed to that is sending stuff like this?
Not subscribed to anything remotely close. I have no idea how they got my email. This is the first ad like this I have received.
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:56 AM   #17
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Give me a 130-140 8 point typical low fence that got that way off good management and I'll shoot that any day all day over one of these genetic freaks.

But as others have said to each his own....

I agree it's gotten a little out of hand.
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:58 AM   #18
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As long as people keep paying 30-50K for one they will keep getting bigger and bigger... I have a buddy that raises a few and he's moving back to typical looking bucks. Im guessing its easier to sell a 200" typical that one of these monsters..
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:00 AM   #19
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^To me, the 200" typical is much more appealing than these freaks
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:05 AM   #20
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As long as people keep paying 30-50K for one they will keep getting bigger and bigger... I have a buddy that raises a few and he's moving back to typical looking bucks. Im guessing its easier to sell a 200" typical that one of these monsters..
Yep. I work with people willing to pay that much to ride around in a truck after someone has let the deer off its chain and shoot it, then ride back to the house while others go and clean the deer/take to taxi/processor.

Then they come to work and say they went hunting. Lol to each their own.
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:10 AM   #21
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Those deer got ballsacks hangin from their heads
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:16 AM   #22
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He looks miserable.
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:20 AM   #23
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I want to know if those deer are even safe to eat.
Well both the bucks pictured are growing extra sacks off there antlers so it might make an extra pair grow off your head.
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:20 AM   #24
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That is a good question. Seems like humans keep pushing the limits in everything, so deer breeding should not be any different.

I am not in the business, but it does seem that big typicals are what many people are looking for from breeders and they seem to be hard for breeders to grow. Once a deer gets that much protein with great genetics, they start throwing up crazy kickers and extras.

Also it seems like these deer max out at earlier ages than normal free range deer. Can anyone in the industry confirm this? Do these type of giant pen deer live as long as a free range deer? Given similar circumstances.
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:32 AM   #25
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I think I spotted Nemo!

Who knows... it is a niche in the industry so they will likely just keep going and going. There is probably a management website with a category FLNP... Future Lower Neck Problems.
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:33 AM   #26
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No tellin how far they can go but to me its no different than hanging a heavy chain around a pitbulls neck. If the police found a dog with a large chain around its neck animal cruelty charges would follow.
Im not sure why a whitetail with more bone than a world class elk is seen any differently
Im quite sure a good flamin is coming my way
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:35 AM   #27
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Old 10-10-2017, 10:45 AM   #28
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They may put some lead in your pencil

BWAHAHAHA...Yeah your T count would definitely go up a few hundred points.
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Old 10-10-2017, 11:08 AM   #29
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Old 10-10-2017, 11:27 AM   #30
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looks like **** if you ask me YMMV
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Old 10-10-2017, 11:28 AM   #31
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I bet its great grandad was a spike.

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Old 10-10-2017, 11:37 AM   #32
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Wow! I wonder what the biggest one out there is. Will we see a 1000Ē buck in the next 10-15 years?
Probably sooner than that
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Old 10-10-2017, 01:29 PM   #33
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That is fugly. Not saying I would not shoot it but, give me a slick 8,10 or 12 and day of the week
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Old 10-10-2017, 01:33 PM   #34
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That's not deer, it's livestock.
They aren't even whitetails anymore, they are science experiments. I'll take a regular run of the mill buck any day over these mutants.
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Old 10-10-2017, 01:34 PM   #35
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Didnt someone kill Bonehead this year? ii think he is posted on this forum recently but on an old thread..
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Old 10-10-2017, 01:35 PM   #36
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Doesn't even look cool to me.
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Old 10-10-2017, 02:04 PM   #37
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Old 10-10-2017, 02:04 PM   #38
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Old 10-10-2017, 02:34 PM   #39
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He looks miserable.
Yeah he certainly does.

I follow several hunters on social media associated with hunting in the western states and listen to their podcasts. They are all poke fun at Texas for this kind of stuff. Sad that this is what we've become.
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Old 10-10-2017, 02:55 PM   #40
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That 580+ deer in the pic does NOT even look like a deer I would shoot. It doesn't look natural and I would not want to have it on my wall.... I am all for big racks but that is not what I am about there. Typical/Non-Typical/then Test tube freaks? Completely gross IMO..
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Old 10-10-2017, 02:59 PM   #41
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My buddies got a farm in Robinson and they had mid 600 I think last year year..... itís nuts
I agree, it is nuts. As a matter of fact, it look like they both have nuts growing off the bottom of their racks.
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Old 10-10-2017, 02:59 PM   #42
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what you reckon a straw of that stuff costs?
I don't know but it tastes like licorice
(sorry old joke)
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Old 10-10-2017, 03:02 PM   #43
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Further than my checkbook and bank keeper would allow! I think I will stick to the all natural 8 and 10 points around the property.
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Old 10-10-2017, 03:17 PM   #44
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I understand that most of us donít get the attraction to deer like this. Somebody must or they wouldnít grow them. I was just hoping someone in the industry might share an end game size. I donít see how the skeletal structure on these bucks could handle much more. Any idea on the weight of 560Ē of antler?
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Old 10-10-2017, 03:19 PM   #45
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Deer from the ranch in Michigan my sister worked at. More along the typical lines.
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Old 10-10-2017, 03:23 PM   #46
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it's just ridiculous how they've screwed up the horns of whitetails!!!!
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Old 10-10-2017, 06:10 PM   #47
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everyone denies it but I am of the belief that some of these penned deer are being shot up with steroids
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Old 10-10-2017, 06:23 PM   #48
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everyone denies it but I am of the belief that some of these penned deer are being shot up with steroids
I wouldn't bet against it. There's no telling what's going on.
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everyone denies it but I am of the belief that some of these penned deer are being shot up with steroids
For sure. Gene splicing of some sort maybe...,not sure if they(whitetail breeders) have made it that far. Its coming though.
1000" is guaranteed at some point.
Before long we'll see whitetails with elk antlers, moose antlers, whatever floats your boat, they'll have it.
Just saw recently, where they took the gene from a spider (the one that causes it to produce silk), and spliced it into a goat. The goat now produces milk , full of silk. They simply seperate it at that point, and commercially produce silk. Unbelievable really, but just the tip of the iceberg.
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Old 10-10-2017, 08:21 PM   #50
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Reminds me of those muscled up body builders that are shot up with steroids, they look gross to me, I would not shoot one of those deer for love or money.
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