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Old 09-26-2017, 10:00 PM   #1
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If you no longer had to take high blood pressure medication or if it you meant that your Type 2 Diabetes would eventually go away. I ask this as red blooded, meat eating, (see my recipe for killer fajita recipe) Texan.
However, I recently watched a very compelling show on Netflix, "What the Health" It contains a fair bit of tree hugging liberalism, but they make some strong arguments for going vegan.

According to the doctors on the program if you follow a strict vegan diet, after two weeks you will notice a big difference in how you feel, and all of your numbers will be better, eventually getting to the point to where you may actually be able to get off meds. If true is it worth it?
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:02 PM   #2
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Not to me, because I don't believe it. Even if true, I couldn't ever not eat red meat again
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:05 PM   #3
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Dam right I would! I would not like it but I would give it a shot.

When you get older you will do things you would not even consider when you are younger..
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:08 PM   #4
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I'd go vegan and get all better. I wouldn't be happy. Then I'd probably get in a car wreck and die anyway so no, I wouldn't go vegan.
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I've seen the shows, and my wife is on the whole kick right now along with a lot of people.

Humans are omnivores, much like other creatures on our he's a planet. Our problem is we can't just eat what we need to survive, we consume a #1 with cheese several times a week.

Moderation is key, and you can still be unhealthy as a vegan. The shows I've watched with my wife blame all our obesity issues on meat and meat products. Overindulgence and fast food are the key to that problem.

I just can't buy it that going vegan solves all the problems.
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:10 PM   #8
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:10 PM   #9
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Um.....No. I would rather die earlier than go meatless.

Did someone hack your account?

Have you been drinking?

Are you an undercover PETA informant?

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Old 09-26-2017, 10:12 PM   #10
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Well yes, I'd say that's the easy answer but there was a thread about a month ago about this show that shot this down if memory serves me right??????

Too many other questions I think....

I searched for the link but couldn't find it but there was a good response if I remember right????
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:12 PM   #11
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A lady I work with has meniere's disease. It was debilitating for her until she started seeing a holistic doctor that told her to go on a vegan diet. Over the course of a few weeks her symptoms improved 95%. She has slowly been incorporating dairy and occasionally meat products back in her diet so far so good. I don't believe that animal products are bad for everyone but if I had some disease that could be cured or at least managed by diet, I wouldn't hesitate to jump on board but I wouldn't stop hunting.
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:15 PM   #12
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everyone dies, some of them supposedly healthy, some sick folks given short times to live lived many years,,, but you going to go, carnivore, herbivore or vegetable ...... God is in control, not a veggie
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:17 PM   #13
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Not a chance. You can find an expert to back any whacko theory you want to come up with. The animals of the field were created for mans consumption.
Enjoy the tofurkey. Pretty sure my high BP is related to stress not eating backstrap.
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:17 PM   #14
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I watch DDD and there are numerous vegetarian burgers and pizza's etc....that eat like MEAT. If I could be assured about the benefits but still have the flavor/taste, I might?
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:22 PM   #15
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If you are truly a "vegan", where do you get your essential amino acids?
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:22 PM   #16
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A lady I work with has meniere's disease. It was debilitating for her until she started seeing a holistic doctor that told her to go on a vegan diet. Over the course of a few weeks her symptoms improved 95%. She has slowly been incorporating dairy and occasionally meat products back in her diet so far so good. I don't believe that animal products are bad for everyone but if I had some disease that could be cured or at least managed by diet, I wouldn't hesitate to jump on board but I wouldn't stop hunting.
My cousin has meniere's and it's rough. Manageable but a tough go just the same.
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:23 PM   #17
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A well done conspiracy film can make you believe just about anything.
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:26 PM   #18
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Life span of vegans is shorter than non vegans
Like some have already said, you can always get someone to produce the results you want.
Its just like man made climate change.
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:29 PM   #19
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Do what makes you feel best, figure out what works for your body.

High protein, high fat, complex carbs work for me. I know my body.

Try it, if you feel like ****, change it.
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:35 PM   #21
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I'd get a second opinion.

(from a Dr that has taxidermy mounts in his office)
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:36 PM   #22
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I saw same show, and wife is vegan, as her whole office, I eat my venison each day, lifes to short to be unhappy...
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My grandpa ate bacon, sausage and redeye gravy everyday and died of a heart attack at 62. He died young but happy. I am starting to try to eat healthier but I can't go full vegan.

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Old 09-26-2017, 10:40 PM   #24
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There are plenty of proven ways to control diabetes and high blood pressure. Being a vegan doesn't sound that healthy to me.
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:53 PM   #25
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If you are truly a "vegan", where do you get your essential amino acids?
The highest sources of amino acids are: watercress and spirulina (which even exceed meat), pumpkin, leafy greens, hemp seeds, chia seeds, soybeans, sesame seeds, sunflower seeds and sunflower butter, almonds, avocados, figs, raisins, quinoa, and wheat


If it saved my life I would cut back.
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:55 PM   #26
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The Bible says your days are numbered. And that we are to take care of ourselves because we are not ours but his. To think anything you do will add one second to your life in my opinion is laughable

Bible also says not to call anything created unclean to eat. We were created to eat food to survive. Both meat and plant. Anydiet other than that is someone with an agenda
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no because it isn't true.
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Old 09-26-2017, 10:57 PM   #28
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sure its worth it if it works. Everybody will react differently to different diets and no diet is "good" forever. That is the biggest thing.

Go to your doctor and get pre-vegan blood work done, try it for a month and go back and see if it helped. If it does get yourself back to a good baseline and then start adding in the meats you love in moderation.

My wife's uncle did this. He was in a bad way and went total raw vegan diet. Lost close to 70lbs all his blood work was great, got off all meds. After 2 years he started to have deficiencies and started adding in meat and breads and other cooked things back in. Now he eats everything like normal but in moderation and hasn't had any issues since.

Now if this scenario is a FOREVER thing I'll take my chances with the cheeseburgers and steaks lol.

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If you no longer had to take high blood pressure medication or if it you meant that your Type 2 Diabetes would eventually go away. I ask this as red blooded, meat eating, (see my recipe for killer fajita recipe) Texan.

However, I recently watched a very compelling show on Netflix, "What the Health" It contains a fair bit of tree hugging liberalism, but they make some strong arguments for going vegan.



According to the doctors on the program if you follow a strict vegan diet, after two weeks you will notice a big difference in how you feel, and all of your numbers will be better, eventually getting to the point to where you may actually be able to get off meds. If true is it worth it?


I had both and switched to Ketogenic way of eating. Off all Type 2 meds and soon to be off bp meds


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I'm not buying it.
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Old 09-26-2017, 11:03 PM   #31
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Some of the healthiest people I knew. I mean spitting image of health. Never drank a drop of alcohol or used tobacco a day in their lives died befor 30 of lung cancer and bone cancer... live life, forget fad diets. Of coarse everything in moderation

They lived that lifestyle because they enjoyed it, not to live forever.... but if vegan is what you enjoy... go for it.


Most I've seen or know, I wouldn't wish their body on my worst enemy
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Have watched the video and it is full of inaccuracies.

No, I would not become a Vegan.
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The highest sources of amino acids are: watercress and spirulina (which even exceed meat), pumpkin, leafy greens, hemp seeds, chia seeds, soybeans, sesame seeds, sunflower seeds and sunflower butter, almonds, avocados, figs, raisins, quinoa, and wheat


If it saved my life I would cut back.
To extend the topic further, by following this diet of seeds and nuts...

One would quickly hit the scales at "highly overweight" with the effort to ingest the same equivalent of protein nutrients in seeds and nuts as compared to animal protein. It just isn't there. Start with the tasty marketing favorite avocado.
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I couldn't do it. Gotta have my wild game!
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The highest sources of amino acids are: watercress and spirulina (which even exceed meat), pumpkin, leafy greens, hemp seeds, chia seeds, soybeans, sesame seeds, sunflower seeds and sunflower butter, almonds, avocados, figs, raisins, quinoa, and wheat


If it saved my life I would cut back.
Compare all of those values to fish, chicken, and eggs. There is no comparison.
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Old 09-26-2017, 11:13 PM   #36
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I had both and switched to Ketogenic way of eating. Off all Type 2 meds and soon to be off bp meds


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I checked into this very thing with my Dr. Today
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The Bible says your days are numbered. And that we are to take care of ourselves because we are not ours but his. To think anything you do will add one second to your life in my opinion is laughable

Bible also says not to call anything created unclean to eat. We were created to eat food to survive. Both meat and plant. Anydiet other than that is someone with an agenda
I guess you don't eat pork
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If I had issues like that you bet your *** I'd at least try a vegan diet if it's possible it would help. I'd try KETO first though, if it made sense depending on what ails me.
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New Testament says pork is fine. I eat plenty of pork
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Bible also says not to call anything created unclean to eat. We were created to eat food to survive. Both meat and plant. Anydiet other than that is someone with an agenda
He created humans.

I know some very unclean people at work, definitely would not recommend eating them.
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sure its worth it if it works. Everybody will react differently to different diets and no diet is "good" forever. That is the biggest thing.

Go to your doctor and get pre-vegan blood work done, try it for a month and go back and see if it helped. If it does get yourself back to a good baseline and then start adding in the meats you love in moderation.

My wife's uncle did this. He was in a bad way and went total raw vegan diet. Lost close to 70lbs all his blood work was great, got off all meds. After 2 years he started to have deficiencies and started adding in meat and breads and other cooked things back in. Now he eats everything like normal but in moderation and hasn't had any issues since.

Now if this scenario is a FOREVER thing I'll take my chances with the cheeseburgers and steaks lol.


This is a somewhat plausible scenario. Everything in moderation. I believe you need some meat in your diet as well as veggies, fruits and other things. Too much of any of them can be bad IMO.

I could surely adjust my diet but don't think I could ever go full vegan.


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Old 09-26-2017, 11:20 PM   #42
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That show is full of BS. We were meant to be omnivores. Meat isn't bad for you. To say other wise is stupid. It's people who can't stop stuffing their face that create that rumor.


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What did he say Kirby? Don't leave us hanging.

Not every one handles foods the same way. My Grandfathers ate plenty of meat, both dipped snuff and lived to 99 and 102. I think I'm fine.
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I probably wouldn't. But I heard a doctor talk about eating only meats and fats "not just meat fat but also like cheese" and it helped a lot of people get of of medications and helps stop early stages of altimeters. I would try that first. No carbs or sugars. Don't remember if it had a specific name. But the guy was very convincing.
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What did he say Kirby? Don't leave us hanging.

Not every one handles foods the same way. My Grandfathers ate plenty of meat, both dipped snuff and lived to 99 and 102. I think I'm fine.
Basically suggested I researched it and that it would probably be a nice alternative to simply going on a diet that would not work. He believes its a good way to eat healthy. I have not had time to really dive into it
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For the record, I don't know if I could do it. I guess I would try but I would probably be irritable.

But I don't believe that a vegan diet can help with type-2 diabetes. India has a lot of vegetarians and a low red-meat consumption rate, but they are the world leaders in Type2 Diabetes. Here's my source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/l...w/50753461.cms
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Not to me, because I don't believe it. Even if true, I couldn't ever not eat red meat again
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I probably wouldn't. But I heard a doctor talk about eating only meats and fats "not just meat fat but also like cheese" and it helped a lot of people get of of medications and helps stop early stages of altimeters. I would try that first. No carbs or sugars. Don't remember if it had a specific name. But the guy was very convincing.
Sounds like he is talking about a Ketogenic Diet. And yes, it helps with all of those above.
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Old 09-26-2017, 11:44 PM   #49
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Keto is always a fun experiment. I've tried it many times. Sometimes I do great with it, other times I just feel like a zombie.

Just be careful with Keto. I had a buddy who thought he could just eat eggs, bacon and cheese smothered in butter as his 3 meals every day for 2 months and ended up in the hospital boarder line stroke levels. Still be mindful about eating a "healthy" keto diet.
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That documentary is incredibly biased. I would do some fact finding online about it before making any big decisions.
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