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Old 12-11-2017, 06:42 PM   #1
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Herald Democrat out of Sherman reporting helicopter hunt over past 3 days resulted in appx 630 hogs being take off the H.. dang!!

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Old 12-11-2017, 06:43 PM   #2
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Hunt was 5th - 7th and yes 630

Didn’t someone here say heli hunts at the Hag wouldn’t work Cus it’s too thick??
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Old 12-11-2017, 06:47 PM   #3
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That's a lot of pigs from one place. Sounds like they really needed to do some thinning if they killed that many. Goodness how many pounds of wild pork would that be!!??
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Old 12-11-2017, 06:51 PM   #4
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Wasn't enough.....place is infested!! Kill em all!!!
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Old 12-11-2017, 07:32 PM   #5
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By the time we get there in March, there will be 2-3 more litters, footballs!
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Old 12-11-2017, 07:43 PM   #6
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Glad they killed em, but that's just a small dent in the population.
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Old 12-11-2017, 08:08 PM   #7
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Old 12-11-2017, 09:27 PM   #8
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Hunt was 5th - 7th and yes 630

Didnít someone here say heli hunts at the Hag wouldnít work Cus itís too thick??
Yes they did!! It was a reply to a post I made about them needing to do more hunts, but due to a low budget, they could only do 1 or 2 a year.

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Old 12-11-2017, 09:32 PM   #9
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Helicopter hunts this time of year work just about anywhere. No foliage on trees, etc.

Thatís a lot of dead pigs!


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Isn't there 6 units? That would be about 105 pigs per unit average. Not really that many considering the size of the properties.

The fish are biting, and there's hogs to be kilt. Gotta go!
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Old 12-11-2017, 10:29 PM   #11
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I was always raised to eat what we shoot and not to waste what could be eaten. Sure a helicopter hunt would be fun but to kill that many hogs and not eat them would be a huge waste. Hope you guys have fun and get your fill maybe you can give the rest away to the towns people in the area.
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Old 12-11-2017, 10:31 PM   #12
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Mucho death.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:06 AM   #13
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Is this a hunt you can put in for?
Or a state funded deal?
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:11 AM   #14
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I was always raised to eat what we shoot and not to waste what could be eaten. Sure a helicopter hunt would be fun but to kill that many hogs and not eat them would be a huge waste. Hope you guys have fun and get your fill maybe you can give the rest away to the towns people in the area.
If your house was infested with Rats would you eat all you killed? Same thing with pigs. They are invasive, a nuisance and cause millions of dollars of damage a year. If some can be saved to donate to food banks/shelters that's good but I don't lose any sleep over the *******s being wasted.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:14 AM   #15
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I believe it. My neighbor has 11,000 acres and every year in early February his helicopter hunts yield 200 hogs on 1 day. Then he'll come back a month later, just before planting and do it again. I'll bet he gets more this year because I've seen a lot more pregnant sows and babies running around.
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I was always raised to eat what we shoot and not to waste what could be eaten. Sure a helicopter hunt would be fun but to kill that many hogs and not eat them would be a huge waste. Hope you guys have fun and get your fill maybe you can give the rest away to the towns people in the area.
You obviously do not have the right frame of mind on this. This is pest control, not hunting. An average sized sounder of hogs (20) can destroy enough wheat and corn in one night to feed 100 people. By killing them off, we are saving food for thousands.

So, I do not see this as a waste. It is a service.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:20 AM   #17
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Hunt was 5th - 7th and yes 630

Didnít someone here say heli hunts at the Hag wouldnít work Cus itís too thick??
Guess it depends on how many hogs percentage wise they took out. But waaay more than the hog hunts take out. But yeah, 630 is a buttload. I read somewhere you'd have to take out 80% of a population each year for it to remain static. I personally wouldn't care if they did a heli hunt monthly for 6 months out of the year.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:22 AM   #18
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Yes they did!! It was a reply to a post I made about them needing to do more hunts, but due to a low budget, they could only do 1 or 2 a year.

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They wouldn't need to use a budget if they'd do a draw heli hunt with a $50 application fee.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:32 AM   #19
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They wouldn't need to use a budget if they'd do a draw heli hunt with a $50 application fee.
There's no way that would happen. To much liability on their end if something happened safety wise and still will need a budget for fuel, pilot and other expenses. But heck I wouldn't mind donating $50 to help them pay for another chopper run at them.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:40 AM   #20
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http://www.heralddemocrat.com/news/2...erial-hog-hunt

This year, the aerial hunt resulted in the removal of 630 hogs — up from just 390 last year. However, Avery Kibbe, pilot and co-owner of Espejo Helicopters, said their work does not constitute an actual “hunt” but simple depredation.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:48 AM   #21
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Buddy and I put in for a hog hunt in March. hoping to get drawn I am sure there will already be another litter on the ground.
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:52 AM   #22
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There's no way that would happen. To much liability on their end if something happened safety wise and still will need a budget for fuel, pilot and other expenses. But heck I wouldn't mind donating $50 to help them pay for another chopper run at them.


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Old 12-12-2017, 09:54 AM   #23
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Old 12-12-2017, 09:59 AM   #24
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I'm glad they killed them but I bet the local private land owners/hunters wished they would wait till after season before they scare the living hell out of every thing in the general vicinity.
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Old 12-12-2017, 10:01 AM   #25
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My nephew used to be a government trapper 2 years ago. He knew our lease bordered the Waggoner ranch. He sent me videos of them in a helicopter on the Wag's 20000-acre wheat field shooting pigs. He said that the entire group of trappers were there and shot around 4000 in the week they spent there.
We never could tell any difference in the hog population on our place.
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Old 12-12-2017, 10:04 AM   #26
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Best thing the USFW has done at Hagerman for wildlife improvement in a long time!!!!!

It will help the deer and turkey the most, but could and will help waterfowl as well since the hogs root around all of their man made water works.
I hope they keep funding this every year!!!

I hunted Hagerman three years ago and that was the first time I have walked up under oak and pecan trees and acutally saw nuts on the ground instead of hog roots and I have hunted there several times in the past when the trees made lots of mast, but the hogs would vacuum it up as soon as it hit the ground.

I love the ideal of $50/$100 application fee for draw hunt to kill pigs out of the helicopter. Heck just the money they would make on application fees would pay for everything, but yea your dealing with Federal bureaucracy so it won't happen.
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Old 12-12-2017, 10:52 AM   #27
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WOW!! Impressive.

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Old 12-12-2017, 11:02 AM   #28
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I was dreaming right there with you but then I remembered we are talking about the US F&W and federal bs so I quit dreaming.
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Old 12-12-2017, 11:09 AM   #29
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That sounds like a lot, but I've shot 50 pigs on 100 acres in last two months. Haggerman is 12,000 acres. 630 is pissing in the wind.

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Old 12-12-2017, 11:14 AM   #30
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I don't buy the 80% thing. The neighboring landowner to our lease killed a pile with heli hunters last winter. I've yet to see one since. Dang depressing.
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Old 12-12-2017, 11:34 AM   #31
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I don't buy the 80% thing. The neighboring landowner to our lease killed a pile with heli hunters last winter. I've yet to see one since. Dang depressing.


Wasnít selling, just something I read. That only means it ran them to someone elseís place. Kind of like fire ants. You ďpushĒ them out of your yard, you donít ďeradicateĒ. You just make em someone elseís problem.



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Old 12-12-2017, 11:38 AM   #32
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That sounds like a lot, but I've shot 50 pigs on 100 acres in last two months. Haggerman is 12,000 acres. 630 is pissing in the wind.
Thatís 19 per acre I donít see how thatís pissing in the wind? Now I am not sure how many times they are doing this per year but between that and trapping and hunts it sounds like they are making an effort.
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Thatís 19 per acre I donít see how thatís pissing in the wind? Now I am not sure how many times they are doing this per year but between that and trapping and hunts it sounds like they are making an effort.


Does have probably will have dropped more than that by the end of the month. Canít hurt, but I am not real confident that it will do much of anything. Time will tell.


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Sows probably will have dropped more than that by the end of the month. Canít hurt, but I am not real confident that it will do much of anything. Time will tell.


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Old 12-12-2017, 12:05 PM   #35
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Thatís 19 per acre I donít see how thatís pissing in the wind? Now I am not sure how many times they are doing this per year but between that and trapping and hunts it sounds like they are making an effort.
Math check!! Itís one per 19 acres.
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Last year after we arrowed the sows we had 19 footballs under a bush.
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I would hate to have to skin that many
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Old 12-12-2017, 12:55 PM   #38
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No chance of eradicating them, but that's a good start at relieving pressure on the habitat. If the 630 pigs averaged 50 pounds apiece, that's 31,500 pounds of pig not over-utilizing the resource. Assuming a consumption rate of 6% of gross body weight, that's saving almost a ton of forage PER day.
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Old 12-12-2017, 01:01 PM   #39
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Math check!! Itís one per 19 acres.
**** I hate when I say stupid sh*t! The math worked in my head when I said it. Oh well still pretty impressive for a couple days of killing.
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that's a lot of pork chops!!!!
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Old 12-12-2017, 01:09 PM   #41
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They are like cockroaches, kill 'em all. They will absolutely drive away deer.
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Old 12-12-2017, 01:10 PM   #42
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What's the bit about non-lead ammo? What would be the cost issue in the difference. 630 =800-1000 rounds.
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Old 12-12-2017, 04:35 PM   #43
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What's the bit about non-lead ammo? What would be the cost issue in the difference. 630 =800-1000 rounds.
Hagerman is a NWR thats primary purpose is waterfowl. So they don't want any lead whatsoever out there as it is considered toxic and dangerous to waterfowl. Non lead bullets tend to cost more and is an added expense.
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Can you imagine the smell in a few days!!!!
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They are like cockroaches, kill 'em all. They will absolutely drive away deer.
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Old 12-12-2017, 05:15 PM   #46
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I would like to see them do the pig hunts like they do small game hunts. Open a few units for a month at a time with self check in. I know that it would still not put a dent in the population but it would create more opportunity for hunters. And there is obviously interest because they have more applicants than allotted hunting spots each year.

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Old 12-13-2017, 12:00 AM   #47
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I would like to see them do the pig hunts like they do small game hunts. Open a few units for a month at a time with self check in. I know that it would still not put a dent in the population but it would create more opportunity for hunters. And there is obviously interest because they have more applicants than allotted hunting spots each year.

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The reason they said they wouldn't do that in the past is fear of deer getting poached, well if you read the story about the grayson bucks and the poaching ring around the refuge being busted its happening anyway. The big deer seem to have dwindled some around there, not sure which is more to blame the hogs or humans.
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:41 AM   #48
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The reason they said they wouldn't do that in the past is fear of deer getting poached, well if you read the story about the grayson bucks and the poaching ring around the refuge being busted its happening anyway. The big deer seem to have dwindled some around there, not sure which is more to blame the hogs or humans.
Easy fix. Do hunts March thru April.

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Old 12-13-2017, 09:31 AM   #49
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I agree, maybe with the new management @ the refuge they will consider it, the new guys seem to be taking a more proactive approach at the pig problem so far.
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Can you imagine the smell in a few days!!!!


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