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Old 12-10-2010, 08:02 PM   #251
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i hope if they make tbr a hunting area like state park i hope they do a better job of running the hunts out there or u want be hunting but 1 month out of the season and it will be split up in 2 months in 2 different hunts and they will want to turn it into there private ranch and recreation area for biking and horse backing oh and a little hiking so watch what u wish for out there all for safety and getting rid of rif raf but they can take it to extremes
NO NO NO we dont want it to be like the state park. Dont understand I guess I have not had any trouble at TBR. I did follow 2 SAPD out after my hunt today. Not sure why they were there. But I had a nice enjoyable evenning hunting.
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Old 12-11-2010, 07:19 AM   #252
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NO NO NO we dont want it to be like the state park. Dont understand I guess I have not had any trouble at TBR. I did follow 2 SAPD out after my hunt today. Not sure why they were there. But I had a nice enjoyable evenning hunting.
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Glad to hear your not having any problems like others have expeienced. Some of the issues was a group of out of towners and they are gone but there are plenty of locals bringin up the slack. Seems most of the issues are in Unit 1 & 2 and possibly why You saw those units patrolling.
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Old 12-13-2010, 12:57 PM   #253
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Read in the paper that they are going to put up pipe fences and gates restricting vehicles from driving to most areas...there goes alot of peoples opportunities at hunting any decent duck spots.
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Read in the paper that they are going to put up pipe fences and gates restricting vehicles from driving to most areas...there goes alot of peoples opportunities at hunting any decent duck spots.
If you have such concerns then get yourself to a city council meeting and speak on the publics behalf. If it does happen and You didnt do anything about it you have noone else to blame except guess who?

Now on the other hand......as far as Ive been told the gates are going to limit access to only certain areas that are a problem with poaching and dumping AT NIGHT. This is a GOOD thing if you are an ethical hunter, duck deer or snipe its doesnt matter. Change is coming and we'll have to adapt, but dont start getting all freaked out until we see what their intentions are. IF ya want to know what going on tho YOU need to get out and find out and ask questions to the SASP Lake Division guys and city haLL.
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Old 12-13-2010, 01:24 PM   #255
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Read in the paper that they are going to put up pipe fences and gates restricting vehicles from driving to most areas...there goes alot of peoples opportunities at hunting any decent duck spots.
This would have been great when I was there. We had a boat so we never had a problem getting anywhere. Invest in a decent boat and you won't have one either!
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Old 12-13-2010, 04:52 PM   #256
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Too poor for a boat, too fat for walkin!!

-Seriously though, I will look into what will/can be done. I am originally from DFW where ALL public land is walk in only, and there aren't half as many problems as there are out here at the Buttes, but it does make it alot harder for guys without boats.
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Old 12-13-2010, 09:22 PM   #257
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If you have such concerns then get yourself to a city council meeting and speak on the publics behalf. If it does happen and You didnt do anything about it you have noone else to blame except guess who?

Now on the other hand......as far as Ive been told the gates are going to limit access to only certain areas that are a problem with poaching and dumping AT NIGHT. This is a GOOD thing if you are an ethical hunter, duck deer or snipe its doesnt matter. Change is coming and we'll have to adapt, but dont start getting all freaked out until we see what their intentions are. IF ya want to know what going on tho YOU need to get out and find out and ask questions to the SASP Lake Division guys and city haLL.
Tuesday Decmeber 14th at 9am. Yes that is tomorrow. I was planning on going but I needed a little more notice.
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Old 12-14-2010, 12:37 AM   #258
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Tuesday Decmeber 14th at 9am. Yes that is tomorrow. I was planning on going but I needed a little more notice.
Hey thx for posting TXHORNZ....I'm gonna see about going depends on where on the schedule its listed. Do you know where they might have that posted/ If not I'll text my bud on SAPD lake Div. and ask him if its gonna be on there.
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Old 12-14-2010, 01:17 AM   #259
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Hey thx for posting TXHORNZ....I'm gonna see about going depends on where on the schedule its listed. Do you know where they might have that posted/ If not I'll text my bud on SAPD lake Div. and ask him if its gonna be on there.
I Just checked the agenda for todays City Council meeting and there is NOTHING about TBR on the agenda for TODAY.
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Old 12-14-2010, 01:56 PM   #260
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Too poor for a boat, too fat for walkin!!

-Seriously though, I will look into what will/can be done. I am originally from DFW where ALL public land is walk in only, and there aren't half as many problems as there are out here at the Buttes, but it does make it alot harder for guys without boats.
Better find a new friend! Good luck to you!
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Old 12-14-2010, 08:06 PM   #261
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I Just checked the agenda for todays City Council meeting and there is NOTHING about TBR on the agenda for TODAY.
Sorry for the miss information SAB. I received it from a City Councilmen. Below is some information he posted about TBR on FB.

"I honestly thought they'd be talking about this subject today. I saw that it is on our future agenda for January 11th and/or January 25th. We'll be talking about Twin Buttes to some extent in both meetings.

I am schedule...d to go out with the City Manager next week to look around. I talked to a couple of council members and several city staff about what you guys were suggesting on this FB page. This is a tougher subject than I thought it would be.

The main thing is for us to find a way to control trash and make it easier for law enforcement to enforce rules. Also, I found out that the City has an ordinance that does not allow people to leave the roadways around the lake, so lets take that into consideration, as well. We need more roads out there (somehow!) This discussion should continue as we come up with more ideas for consideration.

I'll post definite schedules as I see them issued to me. Sorry about the mistake, but on the flip side it gives us more time to think out reasonable angles on this."
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Old 12-15-2010, 11:23 AM   #262
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No biggy TXHORNZ

Never heard of the reference to leaving the road but I'll have to assume they mean driving your vehicle off of existing roads. We certainly do NOT need more roads. There are WAY to many as it is and encroaches way to much into what used to be great bedding areas all due to lazy road hunters that dont wont to get out of their vehicles and ground hunt like the rest of the ethical hunters trying to enjoy the place. Chasing deer is NOT HUNTING..this is what we are trying to prevent NOT ENHANCE. So if you could tell your city council friend he is WAY off base and as he himself stated, he is very much outta touch about TBR.
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Old 12-15-2010, 08:40 PM   #263
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Never heard of the reference to leaving the road but I'll have to assume they mean driving your vehicle off of existing roads. We certainly do NOT need more roads. There are WAY to many as it is and encroaches way to much into what used to be great bedding areas all due to lazy road hunters that dont wont to get out of their vehicles and ground hunt like the rest of the ethical hunters trying to enjoy the place. Chasing deer is NOT HUNTING..this is what we are trying to prevent NOT ENHANCE. So if you could tell your city council friend he is WAY off base and as he himself stated, he is very much outta touch about TBR.
This City Councilman is not an acquaintance of mine. On Facebook I have made the "San Angelo, Texas" a friend. With this I came across a post about TBR. I had made a post to it and the above post was part of a response I and others received. I believe Councilman Paul Alexander is the person posting on Facebook on behalf of the City.
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Old 12-17-2010, 06:29 AM   #264
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Im going to try to make some of those council meetings in January if Im in town. It'd be great if you could go to.

I'm up for a Regional Rep. position with the LSBA elections coming soon I'd appreciate you and anyone else considering me for this areas position. I try pretty hard to represent this area in other matters and organizations already and have good network of LEO, GW, and local Gov. reps.

On another note: Hunted Unit 3 last night......I passed on several good size does and a buddy of mine shot a pretty decent 7 point for out there with 16 1/2" spread.
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Old 12-28-2010, 04:02 PM   #265
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SanAngeloBowman:

I work for the City of San Angelo, which you now know is considering ways to limit vehicular access to the land around Twin Buttes Reservoir. We are doing this in part to increase security and public safety, and to stop some of the illicit behavior (dumping, underage drinking, drug use, assaults, the illegal discharge of firearms) around Twin Buttes.

You are obviously interested in what happens at TBR, and we'd like to share our ideas with you to get your input. If you will send me your email address. I'd like to send you some info. (This message wouldn't let me include my email address. It is anthony(dot)wilson(at sign)sanangelotexas(dot)us. You are also welcome to call me at 653-5328.)

Thanks in advance for your consideration.

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Old 12-28-2010, 06:15 PM   #266
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Hello fellow hunters, As a life time resident of San Angelo and a city employee ( Lake Operations) I see first hand what is going on in all areas of tbr as I am one of the ones you will see out there picking up the illegal dumping and trash, The changes that are planned for Tbr will be in the best interest of us all, vehicle trafic will be restricted yes but you will still be able to access these areas by 4 wheller/ foot or horseback. This will stop the partys,thugs, riftraft to a piont. It will still be up to all of use to help stop it all, get the licence number of people shutting hand guns or rifles or illegaly dumping. and call the SAPD as soon as you can. I am making it a piont to try and keep the areas clean but it takes us all to get it done. Good to here some of you are having good luck this year. To keep these areas where we can all injoy them get all info you can ( safely) license number ,vehicle color and info exct. on the people that do not apreciate what we truly have here. Remember it takes us all to take a stand. I myself would like to see the area stay open for use to drive. But seems the kids and others of this day and age do not appreciate what we truly do have here, Not many places left anywhere like TBR. If you hapen to be out and see one of use out there in a Lake Operations truck or Twinn Butts truck feel free to stop use and discuse the issues. We are doing what we can to help. keep in mind we are cleaning up many of these areas now and are not trying to mess up your hunting. there is allot of trash out there. Allso keep in mind we are not pulling out any feeders or non permentint blinds at this time unless asked to do so by SAPD, Pallets are considered trash or dumping. Good hunting guys.....
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I work for the City of San Angelo, which you now know is considering ways to limit vehicular access to the land around Twin Buttes Reservoir. We are doing this in part to increase security and public safety, and to stop some of the illicit behavior (dumping, underage drinking, drug use, assaults, the illegal discharge of firearms) around Twin Buttes.

You are obviously interested in what happens at TBR, and we'd like to share our ideas with you to get your input. If you will send me your email address. I'd like to send you some info. (This message wouldn't let me include my email address. It is anthony(dot)wilson(at sign)sanangelotexas(dot)us. You are also welcome to call me at 653-5328.)

Thanks in advance for your consideration.

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Hello fellow hunters, As a life time resident of San Angelo and a city employee ( Lake Operations) I see first hand what is going on in all areas of tbr as I am one of the ones you will see out there picking up the illegal dumping and trash, The changes that are planned for Tbr will be in the best interest of us all, vehicle trafic will be restricted yes but you will still be able to access these areas by 4 wheller/ foot or horseback. This will stop the partys,thugs, riftraft to a piont. It will still be up to all of use to help stop it all, get the licence number of people shutting hand guns or rifles or illegaly dumping. and call the SAPD as soon as you can. I am making it a piont to try and keep the areas clean but it takes us all to get it done. Good to here some of you are having good luck this year. To keep these areas where we can all injoy them get all info you can ( safely) license number ,vehicle color and info exct. on the people that do not apreciate what we truly have here. Remember it takes us all to take a stand. I myself would like to see the area stay open for use to drive. But seems the kids and others of this day and age do not appreciate what we truly do have here, Not many places left anywhere like TBR. If you hapen to be out and see one of use out there in a Lake Operations truck or Twinn Butts truck feel free to stop use and discuse the issues. We are doing what we can to help. keep in mind we are cleaning up many of these areas now and are not trying to mess up your hunting. there is allot of trash out there. Allso keep in mind we are not pulling out any feeders or non permentint blinds at this time unless asked to do so by SAPD, Pallets are considered trash or dumping. Good hunting guys.....
OUTSTANDING GENTLMEN!!!!!!

Its REALLY AWSOME to see y'all posting on here. I truly believe in TBR and its potential to be one of the states best public hunting opportunities and its potential as a draw for visitors , not to mention how its impact could help the local economy in these times.

It will take a combined effort of officials, city council, LEO agencies, and the LOCALS to make it happen. Access issues and signage, as well as some defined rules and regs and its notification to the PUBLIC.

Most people I have talked to about their conduct and hunting methods out at TBR seem to think its a free for all wild west out here and for the most part IN THE PAST that is almost the way it was treated. This year has been about the worst Ive seen it. I think in part because alot of folks heard the OLD Lake and Park Police was disbanned and thought there was now enforcement in place........HOW wrong they were!!!!! The new Lake Division is awsome and very much on top of their game!!!! THANKS GUYS!!! and our newer GW is doing an awsome job out there as well and we VERY MUCH appreciate him.

FYI........the SAPD Lake Division and GW BOTH hunt with their kids out here now guys and have a personal interest in what happens here as well. I think its great they are out here and very much in touch with whats happening first hand.
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Old 12-29-2010, 04:52 PM   #268
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Hey all. I've lived in Angelo a few years. I'm a civilian employee on Goodfellow. This year I've been hunting on a friend's place out in Knickerbocker and have had some good luck.

What I'm trying to find out is if TBR is the only public hunting in this area. I know that state park has draws for hunting.
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Old 12-30-2010, 07:57 AM   #269
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Hey all. I've lived in Angelo a few years. I'm a civilian employee on Goodfellow. This year I've been hunting on a friend's place out in Knickerbocker and have had some good luck.

What I'm trying to find out is if TBR is the only public hunting in this area. I know that state park has draws for hunting.
YES SASP IS open for day to day hunting duriing the bow season and PARTS of general season. the Draw hunts are on the EAST side of hwy in the main park AND in Areas 1-7 on WEST side of hwy for about 2wks of the general season. You can get the dates etc. at the South park entrance at beginning of season each year. There are good deer and some hogs at SASP. Check the SASP thread on here for any additional info.
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Mr. Wilson:

I WILL call you. I am tied up filming for next few days till end of wknd. I actaually was SUPPOSED to be in the loop on this TBR project ( I'm President of Concho Valley Hunters Advocacy) and had meeting with City Manager LAST YEAR. I was told I would be in the meetings etc. for this project and was never called! I stopped by CM office and was told he was unavaiable and asked to have him call me TWICE and NEVER heard from anyone. I truly hope that this improves.

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Old 12-30-2010, 08:55 AM   #271
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What's the road like these days getting back to the Spring Creek Dam? Haven't been back there in 3 years. Runnin' buddy and I will be in town on Friday and might drive out to check on our old stomping grounds.
I'm not as careless about truck scratches as I was in college. Is it thick back there along the roads?
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I WILL call you. I am tied up filming for next few days till end of wknd. I actaually was SUPPOSED to be in the loop on this TBR project ( I'm President of Concho Valley Hunters Advocacy) and had meeting with City Manager LAST YEAR. I was told I would be in the meetings etc. for this project and was never called! I stopped by CM office and was told he was unavaiable and asked to have him call me TWICE and NEVER heard from anyone. I truly hope that this improves.

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Rob, that sounds great. We look forward to hearing from you and working with you on this. We are scheduled to discuss this further with the City Council at its next meeting on Jan. 11. The meeting is open to the public, will begin at 9 a.m. and will be in the Convention Center, 500 Rio Concho Drive. We'd love to have you and anyone else who is interested attend and participate in the discussion.

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Rob, that sounds great. We look forward to hearing from you and working with you on this. We are scheduled to discuss this further with the City Council at its next meeting on Jan. 11. The meeting is open to the public, will begin at 9 a.m. and will be in the Convention Center, 500 Rio Concho Drive. We'd love to have you and anyone else who is interested attend and participate in the discussion.

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I already planned on being there. I'll see if Jason Huebner and Frank Carter can make it too. I talk to those guys pretty regular. We all have a sincere interest in whats happening out there as well as want to see it prosper as an asset to the city and place we can take out families for recreation. Its truly a Texas gem and should be treated as such.

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What's the road like these days getting back to the Spring Creek Dam? Haven't been back there in 3 years. Runnin' buddy and I will be in town on Friday and might drive out to check on our old stomping grounds.
I'm not as careless about truck scratches as I was in college. Is it thick back there along the roads?
Harvey its not TOO bad if ya stay on main road that goes straight out to the river and then follows along the shoreline (sorta) till ya hit the old cattle guard. Cant guarantee you wont get a few scratches.

TIP: put a good coat of wax on truck before ya go and it will seriously help with protecting from minor scratches.
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Well, we went out to Spring Creek yesterday to check it out for the first time in 3 years.
Very disappointing to see all the litter scattered throughout the land and water; cans, spent shells, household trash, nails, etc.
Something must be done. TBR area was still relatively pristine 3 years ago.
I'm all for limited vehicle access and maybe even special use permits if that's what it takes to minimize the a-hole traffic.
I enjoyed the freedom of going out there whenever we wanted, but were always good stewards of the resources out there.
Sad situation as it becomes a wasteland of abuse.
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Hey some buddies of mine and I are looking at possibly going duck hunting at Twin Buttes reservoir this weekend coming up. What all do we need as far as permits and tags, besides public lands permit and duck stamps? Are there any special regulations for the lake or can we just show up to area 6 with waders, decoys, shotguns and the permits/stamps just mentioned. We have deer hunted near Mertzon for 24 years and now want to start waterfowl hunting in that area. I went to school at Sul Ross and we pond hopped the trans pecos for ducks from Presidio up to Pecos. We love the region, so any info would be great!
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Well, we went out to Spring Creek yesterday to check it out for the first time in 3 years.
Very disappointing to see all the litter scattered throughout the land and water; cans, spent shells, household trash, nails, etc.
Something must be done. TBR area was still relatively pristine 3 years ago.
I'm all for limited vehicle access and maybe even special use permits if that's what it takes to minimize the a-hole traffic.
I enjoyed the freedom of going out there whenever we wanted, but were always good stewards of the resources out there.
Sad situation as it becomes a wasteland of abuse.
Harvey

You missed it when it was REALLY bad earlier last year. What you saw was AFTER months of clean-up This why I've been saying that the local government has had enough, as well as the local LEO's over the area, and local concerned hunters. We are putting a stop to one of the biggest abuses to our local enviroment and resources. TBR has the potential to be a prime public hunting destination and recreation spot for West Texas and we aim to see it thru to the end of the project. Thanks for your input. I appreciate it.
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Old 01-03-2011, 12:11 PM   #278
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Hey some buddies of mine and I are looking at possibly going duck hunting at Twin Buttes reservoir this weekend coming up. What all do we need as far as permits and tags, besides public lands permit and duck stamps? Are there any special regulations for the lake or can we just show up to area 6 with waders, decoys, shotguns and the permits/stamps just mentioned. We have deer hunted near Mertzon for 24 years and now want to start waterfowl hunting in that area. I went to school at Sul Ross and we pond hopped the trans pecos for ducks from Presidio up to Pecos. We love the region, so any info would be great!
You don't need any Public Land Hunting Permits. You just need your federal duck stamp. Good luck...
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Hey everyone,

Kindof new here but not really. I was with Harvey when we went out there the other day. To see what it used to be to what it has become is really sad. The thing that i don't understand is why someone would drive 20 min into TBR in order to shoot skeet and then not clean up the spent shell casings. Clays are one thing but a million shell casings is another. Hopefully the locals and the lake police can get it turned around. Just a shame to see such a great place being torn appart by a bunch of people who don't respect it for what it is.
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Kindof new here but not really. I was with Harvey when we went out there the other day. To see what it used to be to what it has become is really sad. The thing that i don't understand is why someone would drive 20 min into TBR in order to shoot skeet and then not clean up the spent shell casings. Clays are one thing but a million shell casings is another. Hopefully the locals and the lake police can get it turned around. Just a shame to see such a great place being torn appart by a bunch of people who don't respect it for what it is.
Hey Buddy,

I hope the time you spend with Charles doesn't make you retire from drinking also! If that happens I am going to have find new friends.
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Old 01-06-2011, 09:01 AM   #281
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All, as a reminder, the City Council will consider approving some measures to shore up security at TBR at its meeting next Tuesday, Jan. 11. The meeting is open to the public, will be in the Convention Center at 500 Rio Concho Drive, and begins at 9 a.m. (This item is at about midway through the agenda, so we can't say for sure what time that discussion will happen.) The meeting can also be watched live on the City's Web site. (I haven't posted enough times here to be able to post a URL. Call me at 653-5328 and I'll be happy to share the link on the Web site with you.)

We received a suggestion from a local outdoorsman to ensure that responsible hunters and fishermen still have some vehicular access to TBR that we will be endorsing to the Council. Under the proposal, citizens could apply to temporarily receive a key to the gates that lead to the south pool and to the north pool's south shore. The gates would be equipped with heavy-duty padlocks with keys that are not to be copied, i.e. a patented key system. Citizens who wanted access to those areas would fill out an application, provide personal information (which would be shared with the San Angelo Police Department), sign a form agreeing not to copy the key, and pay a deposit in order to check out the key.

We are confident that anyone willing to go through this process will follow the law.

What do you guys think of this recommendation?

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Let's digest this one a bit...as there are some landowners around the area that have access to the public land via gates from their land. Would their vehicle access be restricted as well? What about someone leaving the lock open to let buddies in? Keys will likely be copied no matter what someone signs. Many public lands have annual permits that can be purchased for land use; why not model TBR in the same way?

All that said, before rules and restrictions are imposed, some common goals need to be laid out, before anything else happens. What do we want TBR to look like 5-10 years down the road? Hunting, fishing, and "responsible" camping tend to be the best use of the land and the least destructive.
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All, as a reminder, the City Council will consider approving some measures to shore up security at TBR at its meeting next Tuesday, Jan. 11. The meeting is open to the public, will be in the Convention Center at 500 Rio Concho Drive, and begins at 9 a.m. (This item is at about midway through the agenda, so we can't say for sure what time that discussion will happen.) The meeting can also be watched live on the City's Web site. (I haven't posted enough times here to be able to post a URL. Call me at 653-5328 and I'll be happy to share the link on the Web site with you.)

We received a suggestion from a local outdoorsman to ensure that responsible hunters and fishermen still have some vehicular access to TBR that we will be endorsing to the Council. Under the proposal, citizens could apply to temporarily receive a key to the gates that lead to the south pool and to the north pool's south shore. The gates would be equipped with heavy-duty padlocks with keys that are not to be copied, i.e. a patented key system. Citizens who wanted access to those areas would fill out an application, provide personal information (which would be shared with the San Angelo Police Department), sign a form agreeing not to copy the key, and pay a deposit in order to check out the key.

We are confident that anyone willing to go through this process will follow the law.

What do you guys think of this recommendation?

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Anthony, from your message it sounds like you have addressed the gate access from Knickerboker road. Has there been any dicussion about the other access points to TBR?
Also, how long will a person be able to keep the temporary key to access the TBR land? If you are a hunter would it be for the entire hunting season? Which is the main reason I am at TBR.

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Anthony, from your message it sounds like you have addressed the gate access from Knickerboker road. Has there been any dicussion about the other access points to TBR?
Also, how long will a person be able to keep the temporary key to access the TBR land? If you are a hunter would it be for the entire hunting season? Which is the main reason I am at TBR.

Thanks for your help

Just so the rest of you will know, TXHORNZ and I spoke by phone this afternoon, and I asked him how long he thinks we should issue keys for. (This is a question we're wrestling with internally.) He suggested a month. What do the rest of you think about that?

As for his question about other access points, we have done our best to identify all vehicular access points all the way around TBR. Those would be fenced and gated. The City Council was mainly interested in ways to allow limited vehicular access to the north pool's south shore and to the south pool's Gardner Dam.

I really appreciated TXHORNZ calling me and offering his input. I'd invite any of you to please do the same -- that is tremendously helpful. You can reach me at 653-5328.

Thanks again, TXHORNZ.

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Old 01-06-2011, 04:30 PM   #285
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Just so the rest of you will know, TXHORNZ and I spoke by phone this afternoon, and I asked him how long he thinks we should issue keys for. (This is a question we're wrestling with internally.) He suggested a month. What do the rest of you think about that?

As for his question about other access points, we have done our best to identify all vehicular access points all the way around TBR. Those would be fenced and gated. The City Council was mainly interested in ways to allow limited vehicular access to the north pool's south shore and to the south pool's Gardner Dam.

I really appreciated TXHORNZ calling me and offering his input. I'd invite any of you to please do the same -- that is tremendously helpful. You can reach me at 653-5328.

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I did mention that getting an access key on a monthly basis. But that was better than the possible 72 hours to a week that was mentioned during the call. Honestly as a hunter I would not mind getting the key for the entire deer season. Which would include the archery season, general and the doe spike season as well. But from my understanding the City might not like the idea of having keys checkout that long with none being checked back in.
How much of a deposit are ya'll thinking?
Where would we have to go an checkin/out the keys, SAPD?

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I did mention that getting an access key on a monthly basis. But that was better than the possible 72 hours to a week that was mentioned during the call. Honestly as a hunter I would not mind getting the key for the entire deer season. Which would include the archery season, general and the doe spike season as well. But from my understanding the City might not like the idea of having keys checkout that long with none being checked back in.
How much of a deposit are ya'll thinking?
Where would we have to go an checkin/out the keys, SAPD?

Thanks again,
TXHORNZ,

We had another meeting this morning, and the new consensus is issuing keys for 1 year. At the moment, we are weighing the possibility of a $100 deposit. Thoughts on that? As for where the keys would be issued from, we haven't discussed that yet. It likely would be from a Parks Department facility, either Santa Fe Crossing or the Convention Center.

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Guys,

Yet another update in our fluid situation regarding limiting vehicular access to the land around TBR. The deposit to receive a key through certain access points will be $50 -- half of what we initially talked about. And, depending upon demand and the SAPD's support, we may give access through gates besides those along the equalization channel. Thoughts?

If anyone would like to receive the background materials the Council will receive, post your email address here ... or call me at 653-5328 ... and I'll be happy to send those to you.

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Old 01-07-2011, 08:56 PM   #288
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Mr. Wilson,
Please send the background material that you mentioned. I have not hunted TBR in years but I like what you are talking about doing and would probably fequent the area again if the regs are stepped up. Gardener Dam is a great place to spend time outdoors but the ruts in the road (from all of the 4x4 traffic when its muddy) were more than I could take. My email is todd_cummings@suddenlink.net.
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btw.. 50 bucks sounds more than reasonable to me.
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Old 01-10-2011, 03:14 PM   #289
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Mr. Wilson,
Please send the background material that you mentioned. I have not hunted TBR in years but I like what you are talking about doing and would probably fequent the area again if the regs are stepped up. Gardener Dam is a great place to spend time outdoors but the ruts in the road (from all of the 4x4 traffic when its muddy) were more than I could take. My email is todd_cummings@suddenlink.net.
Thanks again
btw.. 50 bucks sounds more than reasonable to me.

Todd, I just emailed you some info. For anyone else who is interested, you can find background info about what's being proposed for Twin Buttes Reservoir at http://sanangelotexas.us/vertical/Si...F3E9E07%7D.PDF. Or, send me your email address and I'll be happy to email you some Word documents.

The meeting tomorrow begins at 9 a.m. It's always hard to tell exactly when any item will come up for discussion. You can watch the proceedings online at http://sanangelotexas.us/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={5966560C-74DE-4793-B773-04B626867C09}.

Thanks again for all of your interest and input. You've been a big help in guiding us to where we want and need to get on this issue.

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Old 01-11-2011, 09:04 AM   #290
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Guys

I talked to Mr. Wilson this morning. I think what they are implementing is a GOOD idea but may need to have some kinks worked out. TGW has some good points and concerns. I hope the city takes them into consideration as well. Some of these things are going to take some tmme and patients to get used to but if you have any suggestions or ideas please bring them forward to city council. If you ve spent any time at TBR lately its become pretty sad and drastic measures may be exactly what we need to combat it.

Next council meeting over TBR will be concerning the revamping of local TBR ordinances (or lack of...hee heee sorry couldnt resist) I will keep up to date as its procedes.
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Old 01-11-2011, 09:05 AM   #291
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Hafernick,

How could i retire from one thing i am good at doing. Tails and Tunes!
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Old 01-11-2011, 04:53 PM   #292
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Just to update you, the City Council this morning authorized us to begin erecting the fencing and gates to limit vehicular access around TBR. We will go back to the Council on the 25th with more details about how the process of issuing access through those gates would work, and we will present our recommendations for revising the ordinances that govern the lakes, its parks and the property around them. (Most of the ordinance remains as it was drafted in 1959, so some of it needs updating very badly.) If any of you would like a copy of the proposed ordinance changes, please email me at anthony.wilson@sanangelotexas.us or call me at 653-5327, and I will be happy to share those with you.

The hunting community has been great to work with on this issue. Your suggestions and questions have been spot-on. Thanks for your interest. And a special thanks to SanAngeloBowman for coming to the Council meeting today and addressing them personally. You can catch the Council meeting on Channel 17 beginning Thursday at 10:30 A.M. Sunday through Tuesday, 11:30 A.M. Wednesday through Saturday, and 6:30 P.M. everyday for the next two weeks.

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Old 01-16-2011, 05:50 AM   #293
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Next San Angelo City Council meeting is January 25th and the phase II part of TBR will be discussed that covers new ORDINANCES. So if you care ....you need to be there. You will have a chance to comment IF you have a concern about a new ordinance or see something that we may need to add for consideration. Now is your chance. Please be there.
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Old 01-16-2011, 09:46 AM   #294
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I'd like to offer congratulations to the hunters and City of San Angelo for what looks to be a cooporation into cleaning up and preserving a public area. I've never been to TBR, probably won't, but it's nice to know I can.
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I'd like to offer congratulations to the hunters and City of San Angelo for what looks to be a cooporation into cleaning up and preserving a public area. I've never been to TBR, probably won't, but it's nice to know I can.
The key people involved in this project (I.E. the ones that will actually DO the work) are all committed to seeing TBR back to its NATURAL state asap. We also would like to point out that the current City Council. Lake Maintenance dept., and the new SAPD Lake Division, AND Game wardens are all doing an excellent job of seeing this project thru and getting support needed for all these fine folks to be able to do their jobs and enforce the rules when necessary.

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Old 01-17-2011, 06:18 AM   #296
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A HUGE thanks goes out to the SAPD and Game Wardens for their Quick responses (and MULTIPLE) out at TBR. sorry to have to call you guys so much, but WE (the law abiding folks) sure do appreciate knowing help is only a phone call away
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Old 01-17-2011, 07:07 AM   #297
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Is Zach still the game warden there? He had a woman riding with him while I was there. Is she still there as well?
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Old 01-17-2011, 09:36 AM   #298
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Is Zach still the game warden there? He had a woman riding with him while I was there. Is she still there as well?
Hafernick, not sure about Zach but out at the FM2166 (Boys Ranch Rd.) entrance I was visited by an female GW. I think her name was Cynthia. She was nice to me but I can see that if put into the bad situation she could hold her own.
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Hafernick, not sure about Zach but out at the FM2166 (Boys Ranch Rd.) entrance I was visited by an female GW. I think her name was Cynthia. She was nice to me but I can see that if put into the bad situation she could hold her own.
I think that was her. She was in training (I believe that is why she was riding with Zach). They probably both have different areas within the county now. If you anyone ever talks to the regularly ask them about the time they checked 4 college students who were ducking hunting.

I was checked by Zach about 3 years after this and he remembered me. He told me that when he pulled up he thought he was going to be needing a new citation book. But we ended up just getting a warning and pulling him out of the mud...
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Cindy is the Hispanic gal that ya probably see over around Unit 4 and Jason usually is around the south side of lake area. Both are top notch folks and we appreciate what they do around here.
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