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Originally posted by systemnt View PostThe human rights atrocities this man is responsible for (the ones the free world knows about) should be enough to never sign a treaty of any kind with him... let alone one that opens the door for him to profit from in form of trade and the lifting of embargos...
I will take Trump negotiations over Mohamed Obamas any day.
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No real argument here. My point is who made the deal, and who revoked it.
Kim knows there is a new sheriff in town. Kim spent his lifetime negotiating with only fear as a motivator. Trump uses that angle and so much more.
Also keep in mind that if trade is opened up, the Korean people will be awash with things they could never of dreamed of. Like Dennis Rodman.
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Originally posted by batmaninja View PostNo real argument here. My point is who made the deal, and who revoked it.
Kim knows there is a new sheriff in town. Kim spent his lifetime negotiating with only fear as a motivator. Trump uses that angle and so much more.
Also keep in mind that if trade is opened up, the Korean people will be awash with things they could never of dreamed of. Like Dennis Rodman.
Kim has never negotiated a second in his life.
The NK people will and have NEVER see anything from any trade agreement.
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I'm not one to go tossing around maybe's but if NK goes through with it and the Koreas open borders as well and trade to rest of world.... its only a matter of time before the people of North Korea realize how actually suppressed they were and awful Kim was. Then he's a dead man walking. Think saddam.
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Originally posted by Man View PostI'm not one to go tossing around maybe's but if NK goes through with it and the Koreas open borders as well and trade to rest of world.... its only a matter of time before the people of North Korea realize how actually suppressed they were and awful Kim was. Then he's a dead man walking. Think saddam.
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Originally posted by batmaninja View PostHow much cash money did we send Iran, they say mean stuff about the USA too?
I will take Trump negotiations over Mohamed Obamas any day.
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Systemnt makes valid points. There's no argument Kim is evil and Trump would be wise to tread very carefully. Could be a head-fake, could be a new reality.
However, there's only one person on planet earth who has both the power to start ww3 (or is it ww4 now?) on the Korean peninsula or unite and lead one of the two Koreas towards peace. The calculus is how do you get this to happen without having a single shot fired, avoid civil unrest, and a humanitarian disaster?
Many possible outcomes, good and bad. Kim may have seen the light with Saddam, khaddafi, and Assad and figured being a dictator has a predicable outcome.
We live in interesting times.
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Originally posted by batmaninja View PostAlso keep in mind that if trade is opened up, the Korean people will be awash with things they could never of dreamed of.
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Originally posted by sir shovelhands View PostOnly he and a select few will benefit from any economic stimulus or trade agreement.
Kim has a motive for sure, and I dont know what it is. If i had to guess, I dont think his nuke program is what he said it was. But yes, I agree that he will be putting himself first, whether it is trying to not get killed by his own people or face prosecution for his criminal actions on a world stage.
Help me understand how he can open up the country to trade, but still keep his people believing that the rest of the world is evil?
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Originally posted by batmaninja View Postit really cant get much worse for most of the people there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine
Originally posted by batmaninja View PostHelp me understand how he can open up the country to trade, but still keep his people believing that the rest of the world is evil?
Lifting sanctions doesn't mean NK will give its people access to global internet, the ability to meet foreigners, the ability to leave the country, or the ability to read/watch anything but state propaganda.
Hey, maybe Kim is planning to give up his nukes, turn NK into a democracy, and step down from being a God. But I just can't see it.
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Thanks for the link, I was honestly not aware of how awful the conditions in NK have been. Seems like there is a lot of room for improvement though, right?
The great famine is known in North Korea by the officially mandated phrase konanŭi haenggun (The Arduous March). It was a central event in the country's history, and it forced the regime and its people to change in fundamental and unanticipated ways.[5]
Only about 20% of North Korea's mountainous terrain is arable land. Much of the land is only frost-free for six months, allowing only one crop per year. The country has never been self-sufficient in food, and many experts considered it unrealistic to try to be.
Seems like that if NK does not engage in some sort of trade, its people are going to starve to death, again. Call me crazy, but I am cautiously optimistic here.
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