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Old 07-07-2017, 05:25 PM   #101
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Its a money maker now for sure. Its really pitiful the small number of people that get a chance.
Bingo........nothing wrong with that either! In my opinion they are leaving money on the table compared to what I send to New Mexico, Colorado and Arizona every year.
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Probably both, along with more awareness of the whole draw hunt system too. Even now, every year there are people who are just learning about the draw opportunities.
As long as that Texas public land sheep is in your avatar there is ALWAYS a chance I can get some of your luck!!! Pure awesomeness sir!!!
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Old 07-07-2017, 06:16 PM   #102
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I definitely support limiting the applications to one per category, especially with Youth.
Youth seems to have a lot of no-shows and I think that's largely because guys get on and put their kid in for every hunt under the sun without even bothering to look at dates or locations or ask their freaking mom if they can go so when they get drawn they just no-show.

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Is there any strategy in applying for more or less hunts to increase your odds of getting picked? Last year was my first year to ever use the system so I had zero points. I applied for 9 hunts and got selected for 3 - beginner's luck??
Every year I read 3 or 4 posts just like yours, and this year we'll see 3 or 4 more. Almost seems as if the system weights heavily for new applicants to hook them in. It would be different if you got drawn once, but every post like yours is always drawn multiple hunts in different areas while guys with 10 pref points 0 out every year.

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Non residents are always brought up in these discussions. How many NRs actually apply and/or draw these hunts. Are they really taking up that many permits it has to be a talking point or is it just something to complain about? Where are the numbers to see what resident/NR draw rates are?

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If you guys really want to go there, the state should also designate a certain percentage of permits as NR only, just like other states. Can't draw those now....think about it. Odds are now even lower with fewer tags. Careful what you with for.
Agreed, doubt there's a lot of people out of state trying to apply for these hunts they're not spectacular. Maybe the special ones but Gun Antlerless at Choke Canyon, etc? lol just no...

As for the guys complaining about the application fees and such, Texas does charge more for licenses for them. Now I don't have a LOT of experience out of state, but I seem to recall when I applied for Wyoming that the *application fees* are the same across the board, but the Antelope tags/license is where the non-resident gets charged more. Doesn't seem much different here, application fee is the same across the board and non-res pays more for license.
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Old 07-07-2017, 06:46 PM   #103
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I'm at the point now where I don't even get excited when the drawings happen because I've been disappointed so many times. I just send my money in every year with no expectation of ever being drawn.
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:24 PM   #104
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That's not the case, it would be if everyone could apply for the same number of hunts which ain't happening. Some people can not apply for that many hunts due to reasons that are their business due to not having the time off work to apply for that many hunts or not having $200-300+ bucks to drop on app fees that will in all likelihood be wasted anyways, etc. whatever there reason may be how is it fair if they can only apply for 3 verses a number of ppl that apply for 20+. If they went back to the way they used to do it everyone would be entering the same number of apps and it would be even for everyone. Again, I know you like the system because you have had success with it but you are the exception rather than the norm. But it is luck of the draw but everyone wants to see better drawing odds not already long odds that get ****tier and ****tier every year.

And population growth don't have much to do with it this new system caters to the people that are too lazy to go to the effort to do their homework, fill out a postcard and mail in a check. And since in general people are lazy as **** more and more people are applying.
If you only have $3 to spend on it and can only apply for 1 hunt, the other guy that applied for all of them still only gets 1 app in the drawing that you applied for. Nobody can apply more than once for any one particular hunt. The guy that applied for multiple hunts in a category may draw one of the other hunts before your hunt is drawn, and he'll lose all his points as soon as he's drawn for that other hunt.

Bottom line: It's a drawing. You're probably not gonna get drawn, but there's a chance.
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:29 PM   #105
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No there are not more hunts than 10 yrs ago, I have the old books to prove it, 20 yrs ago I have no clue. Not sure why your trying to defend the current system, its sucks and could be made better. Enought people scream and changes can happen, look at new mexico and their non-resident quota now, look a colorado and their true preference points system where the guys with the most points get picked first (not saying I want a true preference points system).
I'm not trying to defend the current system. I wish non-residents had to pay a lot more and/or were limited on how many hunts they could draw. I wish we could just buy a point when we want a point but don't want to draw this year. I wish that nobody knew about the drawings so I'd have a better chance to draw another sheep tag or the Grand Slam or something awesome.

I'm just laughing at the annual cry fest every time the draws are posted. It doesn't matter what changes they implement, a bunch of people would still come around and whine and cry and gripe about it how unfair it is for whatever reason.

It's a drawing, not a guaranteed hunt opportunity. If you don't like it and think it's a ripoff and all of that, don't participate.

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Old 07-07-2017, 10:31 PM   #106
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Bingo........nothing wrong with that either! In my opinion they are leaving money on the table compared to what I send to New Mexico, Colorado and Arizona every year.

As long as that Texas public land sheep is in your avatar there is ALWAYS a chance I can get some of your luck!!! Pure awesomeness sir!!!
Just wait 'til I draw the desert sheep the 2nd time. Somebody has to be the first guy to do that. Might as well be me.
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Old 07-07-2017, 10:38 PM   #107
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Just wait 'til I draw the desert sheep the 2nd time. Somebody has to be the first guy to do that. Might as well be me.


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Old 07-07-2017, 11:00 PM   #108
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If you only have $3 to spend on it and can only apply for 1 hunt, the other guy that applied for all of them still only gets 1 app in the drawing that you applied for. Nobody can apply more than once for any one particular hunt. The guy that applied for multiple hunts in a category may draw one of the other hunts before your hunt is drawn, and he'll lose all his points as soon as he's drawn for that other hunt.

Bottom line: It's a drawing. You're probably not gonna get drawn, but there's a chance.
I'm not gonna keep arguing about it if I wanted to I could apply for all of them too. Bottom line is if one person applies for one hunt and then twenty other people apply for that hunt along with the others that they applied for then that persons chances are ****ed because there's twenty more apps to compete with. The whole system is ****ed. Yes it's a drawing, yes your probably not gonna get drawn, yes there's a chance. And that chance is worse with the current odds than the past odds. I don't see how people don't see that and keep defending it. Carry on.

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Old 07-07-2017, 11:11 PM   #109
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My kid drew javi and aoudad in his third year last cycle. I'm going on seven with nada, but it will happen.
One year in NM I drew a quality archery elk unit and Oryx! Gotta play to win.
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Old 07-07-2017, 11:13 PM   #110
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I'm not gonna keep arguing about it if I wanted to I could apply for all of them too. Bottom line is if one person applies for one hunt and then twenty other people apply for that hunt along with the others that they applied for then that persons chances are ****ed because there's twenty more apps to compete with. The whole system is ****ed. Yes it's a drawing, yes your probably not gonna get drawn, yes there's a chance. And that chance is worse with the current odds than the past odds. I don't see how people don't see that and keep defending it. Carry on.
I agree, the system here is poorly designed compared to other western States. I apply for the chance and it's cheap as $#!?.
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Old 07-08-2017, 10:41 AM   #111
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Man, I got lucky last year, now only accumulated points on mule deer and exotic. Hoping to get at least one dr aw with my 83 yr old dad .
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Old 07-09-2017, 10:49 PM   #112
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Put mine in, gotta keep the fingers crossed. Anyone had any luck on the E-Postcard hunts?
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Old 07-09-2017, 11:40 PM   #113
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Old 07-10-2017, 09:38 AM   #114
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Put mine in, gotta keep the fingers crossed. Anyone had any luck on the E-Postcard hunts?
Drew granger in 2013 haven't drawn since
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Old 07-10-2017, 10:32 AM   #115
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Drew granger in 2013 haven't drawn since
That's prior to the new online system correct?
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Old 07-10-2017, 10:48 AM   #116
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I think that was the last year you actually had to mail in a post card
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Old 07-13-2017, 08:23 AM   #117
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Old 07-13-2017, 08:36 AM   #118
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Put me and the wife in for 14 hunts. I agree that the system could use some changes as to out of state guys and limits to apply per category, but, it's how TPWD makes a lot of money. I've been drawn once in about 9 years of applying and that's it. But, can't win if you don't play.....
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Old 07-13-2017, 08:54 AM   #119
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Keep forgetting to put in.
Will do that today

Wouldn't mind getting back down to James D WMA again
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Old 07-13-2017, 09:13 AM   #120
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I apply each year and get picked for a hunt maybe every third year. I still only apply for one hunt in each category. It's cheap and the payoff could be great. I equate it to playing a slot machine...probably wont win, but there is a chance it might pay off.

Now for my son, I enter him in multiple drawings in the same category. I want him to have as many chances as possible to get drawn for something.
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Old 07-13-2017, 09:13 AM   #121
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I definitely support limiting the applications to one per category, especially with Youth.
Youth seems to have a lot of no-shows and I think that's largely because guys get on and put their kid in for every hunt under the sun without even bothering to look at dates or locations or ask their freaking mom if they can go so when they get drawn they just no-show.



Every year I read 3 or 4 posts just like yours, and this year we'll see 3 or 4 more. Almost seems as if the system weights heavily for new applicants to hook them in. It would be different if you got drawn once, but every post like yours is always drawn multiple hunts in different areas while guys with 10 pref points 0 out every year.



Agreed, doubt there's a lot of people out of state trying to apply for these hunts they're not spectacular. Maybe the special ones but Gun Antlerless at Choke Canyon, etc? lol just no...

As for the guys complaining about the application fees and such, Texas does charge more for licenses for them. Now I don't have a LOT of experience out of state, but I seem to recall when I applied for Wyoming that the *application fees* are the same across the board, but the Antelope tags/license is where the non-resident gets charged more. Doesn't seem much different here, application fee is the same across the board and non-res pays more for license.


Last year, there was a guy on a hunt that was from California, at what I'll consider a "not spectacular" location, so I bet it happens more than you would think.
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Old 07-13-2017, 09:16 AM   #122
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4th yr for me to put in for draw. I enter archery deer & exotic and gun deer & exotic. I did add balconies this year just because it's close. No luck yet, just points. Fingers crossed & hoping this will be the yr, because I probably won't be making it to CO for a week this season as my wife and I just had our 1st born
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Old 07-13-2017, 09:21 AM   #123
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Keep forgetting to put in.
Will do that today

Wouldn't mind getting back down to James D WMA again
I'm with you there, I even have the vacation to spare for a trip to put in for a standby. Problem is they limit the number of hunters so low that it really limits the standby opportunity.

Last year on the bow hunt we had about a dozen hunters show up and they pulled two cards. I think he only had one standby opening but every group seemed to contain a kiddo or two so he may have been feeling generous.
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Old 07-13-2017, 09:28 AM   #124
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Says up to 4 can apply on the same card. Does this increase your chances of being drawn, like rack person gets their name in the hat and any one of the four gets drawn the others three get drawn too, or do they just draw cards
You get groups points, so not sure how that figures into it. Every time we have been selected, we had four people submitted.
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Old 07-14-2017, 05:49 PM   #125
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The response I got from TPWD is that:
Nonresidents make up 7% of applications
Their survey showed 78% satisfaction rate with the system among hunters.
Zero chance of making the hunts longer than two days.

So i guess I can feel better that I voiced my opinion but its clear that the current system is here to stay. I guess I will continue to only apply for the free hunts and nothing else. Im sure glad there is a little bit of national forest left in Texas and that I can go out of state to hunt a couple times a year.

I figured this info would be of value to some here.
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Old 07-14-2017, 08:41 PM   #126
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The response I got from TPWD is that:
Nonresidents make up 7% of applications
Their survey showed 78% satisfaction rate with the system among hunters.
Zero chance of making the hunts longer than two days.

So i guess I can feel better that I voiced my opinion but its clear that the current system is here to stay. I guess I will continue to only apply for the free hunts and nothing else. Im sure glad there is a little bit of national forest left in Texas and that I can go out of state to hunt a couple times a year.

I figured this info would be of value to some here.
I guess a "C" rating is good enough for them. I'm glad to be part of the 22%.

Thanks for the post
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Old 07-14-2017, 08:58 PM   #127
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Lots of crying and complaining on this post about a state run hunt that is very cheap by current market standards.

News flash ItS A DRAW FOLKS!!! Not everyone gets drawn and just because you have been entering the past decade doesn't mean you will be drawn either.

Put your big boy underwear on and be thankful we have the option to enter. I've donated several years now and never been drawn for anything. I don't feel the need to complain every year afterwards though.
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Old 07-14-2017, 08:58 PM   #128
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I definitely support limiting the applications to one per category, especially with Youth.
Youth seems to have a lot of no-shows and I think that's largely because guys get on and put their kid in for every hunt under the sun without even bothering to look at dates or locations or ask their freaking mom if they can go so when they get drawn they just no-show.



Every year I read 3 or 4 posts just like yours, and this year we'll see 3 or 4 more. Almost seems as if the system weights heavily for new applicants to hook them in. It would be different if you got drawn once, but every post like yours is always drawn multiple hunts in different areas while guys with 10 pref points 0 out every year.



Agreed, doubt there's a lot of people out of state trying to apply for these hunts they're not spectacular. Maybe the special ones but Gun Antlerless at Choke Canyon, etc? lol just no...

As for the guys complaining about the application fees and such, Texas does charge more for licenses for them. Now I don't have a LOT of experience out of state, but I seem to recall when I applied for Wyoming that the *application fees* are the same across the board, but the Antelope tags/license is where the non-resident gets charged more. Doesn't seem much different here, application fee is the same across the board and non-res pays more for license.

I totally agree with the youth hunts. It's easy to apply for everything and it's free. There is no penalty for accepting the hunt and not showing. Standby on youth hunts are very rare- so the hunt goes unfilled.

In the annual survey, I suggested that youth that get selected for multiple hunts select only one and return they others for the second draw.


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Old 07-14-2017, 09:01 PM   #129
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Let's get the post back on track...

Let's see some pics of animals taken on the draw hunts !
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Old 07-14-2017, 11:45 PM   #130
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I'm signed up for the "normal hard to get exotic hunts" and I'm technically a NR, but I bought my lifetime license before I left a year ago so nanny nanny poo poo!!!!


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Old 07-15-2017, 07:45 AM   #131
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Let's see some pics of animals taken on the draw hunts !








Here are 3 that my daughter took at the Devils river. This was here 2nd year applying and she has drawn 3 hunts but this one was the best by far!!!



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Old 07-15-2017, 08:34 AM   #132
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Old 07-15-2017, 08:57 AM   #133
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The response I got from TPWD is that:
Nonresidents make up 7% of applications
Their survey showed 78% satisfaction rate with the system among hunters.
Zero chance of making the hunts longer than two days.

So i guess I can feel better that I voiced my opinion but its clear that the current system is here to stay. I guess I will continue to only apply for the free hunts and nothing else. Im sure glad there is a little bit of national forest left in Texas and that I can go out of state to hunt a couple times a year.

I figured this info would be of value to some here.
Sounds like a typical response from TPWD Everyone keep hammering on them and maybe they'll change. In the meantime everyone have fun applying err I mean donating.
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:49 AM   #134
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I've only been putting in the draws for a couple of years and have yet to be drawn but had a question on applying as a group vs. individual.

There was some talk earlier in the thread about this could hurt your chances and some other guys have mentioned they have always been drawn as a group. I've always applied with a few buddies so we have similar points but would we have a better shot if we each applied as individuals?

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Old 07-30-2017, 12:32 PM   #135
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Old 08-02-2017, 04:32 PM   #136
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Well, I started the year out strong. My son and I were drawn for a Dovehunt in Wharton.


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Old 08-02-2017, 05:14 PM   #137
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My daughter got drawn for a youth hunt for the second year in a row. Going to Colorado Bend SP on the GDE hunt this year. She was pumped to hear she was going on another hunt this year. She had a ball at the Chap last year.
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Old 08-02-2017, 05:16 PM   #138
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"Pending 2nd Draw" on all the Youth Gun for my boy, he's got 5 points.
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Old 08-02-2017, 05:46 PM   #139
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Old 08-02-2017, 07:55 PM   #140
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WHOOOP WHOOOP! I drew a dove hunt today! First TPWD hunt I've drawn in a while.
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Old 08-02-2017, 08:00 PM   #141
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This many people cry and complain about not winning the powerball lottery each week ????
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Old 08-02-2017, 08:02 PM   #142
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"Pending 2nd Draw" on all the Youth Gun for my boy, he's got 5 points.
Same here big pile of pending 2nd draws, 6 points here, drew something almost every year under the old system, every other year for sure, SMH...
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Old 08-02-2017, 08:17 PM   #143
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This many people cry and complain about not winning the powerball lottery each week ????
I do!!! Lol

Gunna be pizzed at the system if I don't win tonight too!
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Old 08-02-2017, 08:27 PM   #144
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Pending 2nd draw on the first hunt of my list.
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Old 08-02-2017, 08:43 PM   #145
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Last year for my son to draw for youth hunts. He will be too old to go on standby. He did pretty good. Drew twice for Chap either sex over the years.

Been putting him and his brother on my either sex hunt cards for the last 6 years or so.

One of these days we will get lucky and will be a great family hunt.
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:05 PM   #146
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Our group was drawn for Alligator @ J.D. Murphree 9/18-19...anybody got any advice, none of us have ever hunted gators before!

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Old 08-02-2017, 09:22 PM   #147
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Pending 2nd draw on the first hunt of my list.
Same here for pronghorn.
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:42 PM   #148
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I am pending 2nd draw on gator and pronghorn

I had 10 pref points going into pronghorn draw. At this rate I might not live long enough to draw one
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:46 PM   #149
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my son has 2 points and is pending 2nd draw at the chap, garner and Bastrop for gun deer either.

good luck guys
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:49 PM   #150
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I had 10 pref points going into pronghorn draw. At this rate I might not live long enough to draw one
Your not the only one, we've got 14 pp's for pronghorn.
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