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Old 07-05-2017, 12:51 PM   #1
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Old 07-05-2017, 12:56 PM   #2
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Old 07-05-2017, 12:58 PM   #3
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Sweet action! Thanks for the heads up!
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Old 07-05-2017, 02:29 PM   #4
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Old 07-05-2017, 02:34 PM   #5
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Pay close attention to deadline dates. Appears some are earlier this year
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Old 07-05-2017, 02:37 PM   #6
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I just got on to create a thread. Decided to look and thought "oh sheet, its up!"
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Old 07-05-2017, 02:39 PM   #7
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Can anyone give me any info on how to get started on this? Been wanting to for years?

The process? Website? Cost? and so on

Thanks a lot guys
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Old 07-05-2017, 02:42 PM   #8
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Is that the Big Time Texas Hunts?
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Old 07-05-2017, 02:52 PM   #9
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Yaaaaaaaaay ! More donations for the cause and acquiring additional preference points.
They will have to pick me for "something" one of these years....
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Old 07-05-2017, 02:56 PM   #10
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Sweet ODEN'S RAVEN!!
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Old 07-05-2017, 03:01 PM   #11
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No bighorn sheep hunt

Not that I stood a chance anyways lol.
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Old 07-05-2017, 03:11 PM   #12
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Can anyone give me any info on how to get started on this? Been wanting to for years?



The process? Website? Cost? and so on



Thanks a lot guys


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Old 07-05-2017, 03:11 PM   #13
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Old 07-05-2017, 03:12 PM   #14
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Old 07-05-2017, 03:48 PM   #15
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The process? Website? Cost? and so on



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Old 07-05-2017, 03:48 PM   #16
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Sweet ODEN'S RAVEN!!
Which one? Huginn or Muninn, thought or memory?

Sry couldnt help myself
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Old 07-05-2017, 03:58 PM   #17
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Yeah, I was looking at that at lunch. Several deadlines in August. I don't remember Deer Anterless being due so early.
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Old 07-05-2017, 04:10 PM   #18
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Sry couldnt help myself


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Old 07-05-2017, 04:38 PM   #19
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Which one? Huginn or Muninn, thought or memory?

Sry couldnt help myself
You may be thinking of Odin's ravens... Not sure what an ODEN is.
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Old 07-05-2017, 04:44 PM   #20
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No Kerrville Schreiner Park this year? Or am I looking in the wrong spot?
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Old 07-05-2017, 04:55 PM   #21
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Is this the first year to hunt at Kickapoo Cavern SP? Or have I just missed it over the years?
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Old 07-05-2017, 05:04 PM   #22
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No Kerrville Schreiner Park this year? Or am I looking in the wrong spot?
It's listed in the Private Lands $10/category
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Old 07-05-2017, 05:06 PM   #23
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Is this the first year to hunt at Kickapoo Cavern SP? Or have I just missed it over the years?
If they have success odds for prior year then they held a hunt last year.. You must have just missed it!
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Old 07-05-2017, 05:08 PM   #24
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No Kerrville Schreiner Park this year? Or am I looking in the wrong spot?
Private Lands. Fork over $10/with application
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Old 07-05-2017, 05:36 PM   #25
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Old 07-05-2017, 06:01 PM   #26
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Is this the first year to hunt at Kickapoo Cavern SP? Or have I just missed it over the years?
They've had hunts there for several years. I took my sons on youth hunts there twice and it was good.
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Old 07-05-2017, 06:01 PM   #27
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archery deer went down to 4 days instead of 5 at Chap.
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Old 07-05-2017, 09:04 PM   #28
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Old 07-05-2017, 09:05 PM   #29
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Old 07-05-2017, 09:10 PM   #30
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Question:

Says up to 4 can apply on the same card. Does this increase your chances of being drawn, like rack person gets their name in the hat and any one of the four gets drawn the others three get drawn too, or do they just draw cards
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Old 07-05-2017, 09:21 PM   #31
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Says up to 4 can apply on the same card. Does this increase your chances of being drawn, like rack person gets their name in the hat and any one of the four gets drawn the others three get drawn too, or do they just draw cards
I believe it can actually hurt you. If there's 3 spots left and they draw your card of 4 they toss your card, not make a special exception and add a spot.
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Old 07-06-2017, 12:04 AM   #32
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Says up to 4 can apply on the same card. Does this increase your chances of being drawn, like rack person gets their name in the hat and any one of the four gets drawn the others three get drawn too, or do they just draw cards

Your name can only appear on one card for a certain ranch in a certain hunt category. So its up to you. Your name can be by itself, or with you to three other people. If you apply with others, they use the average of everyone's preference points, so if you have friends with a lot of points, it can help you. But if you have a lot and apply with others who have none, that really hurts.


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Old 07-06-2017, 12:17 AM   #33
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Never done this draw. So, is the a random draw or is it based off of preference points or how many other draws you've signed up for in the past
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Old 07-06-2017, 12:28 AM   #34
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Looking forward to it. I really enjoy picking my spots to apply Been drawn once for archery(on the second draw process) gotten lucky on standby. I'll have to check but believe I'm sitting on 6 points in most and never been drawn for the dang gator which people seem to get lucky on alot.

If I can get one draw I'll be thrilled
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Old 07-06-2017, 12:30 AM   #35
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archery deer went down to 4 days instead of 5 at Chap.
That's where I got drawn. Gotta say I needed more days then the 5 I had lol. Went home with a javi but dang that place is magical

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Old 07-06-2017, 12:32 AM   #36
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Looking forward to it. I really enjoy picking my spots to apply Been drawn once for archery(on the second draw process) gotten lucky on standby. I'll have to check but believe I'm sitting on 6 points in most and never been drawn for the dang gator which people seem to get lucky on alot.

If I can get one draw I'll be thrilled
I've never been drawn for a **** thing here in my own state, starting to think it's a bait & switch lol. Kids got drawn for youth hog a while back but nothing for me I have 5 or 6 points on everything. I drew Wyoming Antelope 1st and 2nd try (100% so far) and Colorado Elk first try though with no points.
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Old 07-06-2017, 12:34 AM   #37
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I've never been drawn for a **** thing here in my own state, starting to think it's a bait & switch lol. Kids got drawn for youth hog a while back but nothing for me I have 5 or 6 points on everything. I drew Wyoming Antelope 1st and 2nd try (100% so far) and Colorado Elk first try though with no points.
Yup...it's a tuff draw. Reading from the senior guys that have been applying since it started my 6 points is nothing. Youth category my oldest nephew goes on a card as well he's sitting on 2 or 3 points in each category hadn't been drawn yet
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Old 07-06-2017, 12:45 AM   #38
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Yup...it's a tuff draw. Reading from the senior guys that have been applying since it started my 6 points is nothing. Youth category my oldest nephew goes on a card as well he's sitting on 2 or 3 points in each category hadn't been drawn yet
I try to pick stuff that's easy to draw, not the popular stuff but I guess doesn't really matter. Then I read on here or the 2cool forum guys drawing multiple deer hunts each season with zero points kinda weird. There were 3 different guys on the other forum last year had multiple draws with no points or I think one guy had 1 point. My Little guy has 5 points across the board on everything Youth, surely he'll get drawn for something this year....
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Old 07-06-2017, 06:02 AM   #39
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I used to pick specific dates but now just pick ANY dates. Would that give you a better chance of drawing? We usually change out areas we apply to but I think this year I'm going to just apply to the same hunts I applied last year? Y'all think that would up your odds? Also going to send a donation for the dove hunts. Good Luck to all.
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Old 07-06-2017, 08:05 AM   #40
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16 points in numerous categories but I'll donate again this year.
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Old 07-06-2017, 08:10 AM   #41
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How can you tell how many points you have? I have applied for a few things in the past, but I don't see where my points are.

Never mind. I found it. It only shows loyalty points for the hunts I applied for this year. I know I have applied for some in the past and I have never been drawn. I guess I lost those points??

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Old 07-06-2017, 08:37 AM   #42
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it seems. However, I drew Sierra Diablo about 5 years ago with no points. Drew Kerr WMA for turkey years ago before the points, but couldn't go due to a death in the family. Drew Kerr WMA for antlerless as a standby and didn't see a single doe, but did kill a coyote.

The number of days available seems to decrease every year. They probably don't want to pay the overtime that it takes to run these hunts.
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Old 07-06-2017, 08:57 AM   #43
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Got my applications in. May do some others, but those I will have someone put in with me.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:04 AM   #44
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The demoralizing thing is that, if you look at the number of applications, most have gone up tremendously since the new system was put in place. Alligator used to be a 1:3 odds ratio, but now its more like 1:50. IMHO, they need to go back to only allowing you to apply for one hunt in a category. The other thing that has happened, is the number of standby's has gone way down. This is partly due to the second chance drawings, but it's also them not wanting to deal with standby's.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:10 AM   #45
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The demoralizing thing is that, if you look at the number of applications, most have gone up tremendously since the new system was put in place. Alligator used to be a 1:3 odds ratio, but now its more like 1:50. IMHO, they need to go back to only allowing you to apply for one hunt in a category. The other thing that has happened, is the number of standby's has gone way down. This is partly due to the second chance drawings, but it's also them not wanting to deal with standby's.
Well, they apparently didn't listen to any of the hunters feedback about 1-3 choices only, non-residents needing a license, point only option, etc. Once again I have to put in for a few hunts just to keep my points going up but if I actually win I won't be able to go. I think Texas is the only state without a points only option in the U.S. (besides states that don't use points)..

Was hoping for some real changes this year but guess I'll have to keep waiting..

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Old 07-06-2017, 09:21 AM   #46
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The demoralizing thing is that, if you look at the number of applications, most have gone up tremendously since the new system was put in place. Alligator used to be a 1:3 odds ratio, but now its more like 1:50. IMHO, they need to go back to only allowing you to apply for one hunt in a category. The other thing that has happened, is the number of standby's has gone way down. This is partly due to the second chance drawings, but it's also them not wanting to deal with standby's.
So if I am understanding correctly I can put in for more than one hunt in each category? if that is the case, there is no wonder I am never drawn for anything. I have only been applying for one hunt per category forever. Heck I got 16 and 17 preference points on some.
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Old 07-06-2017, 09:23 AM   #47
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So if I am understanding correctly I can put in for more than one hunt in each category? if that is the case, there is no wonder I am never drawn for anything. I have only been applying for one hunt per category forever. Heck I got 16 and 17 preference points on some.
Yep, you can put in for every hunt they offer if you like And so can anyone from any state for the exact same price

Pretty much just a raffle at this point.. Very similar to the Maine Moose Lottery

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Old 07-06-2017, 09:53 AM   #48
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So if I am understanding correctly I can put in for more than one hunt in each category? if that is the case, there is no wonder I am never drawn for anything. I have only been applying for one hunt per category forever. Heck I got 16 and 17 preference points on some.
You used to be only able to apply for one hunt in each category. They changed the rules a couple of years back. So you haven't been missing out for too long.
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Old 07-06-2017, 10:06 AM   #49
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Someone mentioned above about many places not taking standbys any more. Last season our boys were drawn for a youth hunt. Prior to going in the gate they said they weren't allowing standbys, even though it said standbys were allowed on the hunt description. Not all of the drawn hunters showed up so there would have been availability. Not sure their reasoning behind turning them away.
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Old 07-06-2017, 10:07 AM   #50
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Entered again. Just want to take my daughter on some different kinds of hunts around Texas.
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