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Old 02-05-2015, 12:59 PM   #651
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Lmao " Newman would kiss the ground you walk on " those numbers with the momentum still pushing 270 it'll prolly nock deer down in their tracks lol

Or a pig ;-)
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ok guys just keep making fun of the short guy. I've got an arrow I will be testing this weekend. hahahhaha
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In half kicking myself that I didn't have muddy build ne an arrow that finished around 560. 32.5" draw would really knock something down with that, especially if the FOC was around 20%
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In half kicking myself that I didn't have muddy build ne an arrow that finished around 560. 32.5" draw would really knock something down with that, especially if the FOC was around 20%
Another to fuel the fire for long draw guys!!

I think a deep impact would work for that. Or 250 x impact. What do u cut your arrows at
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Old 02-05-2015, 04:20 PM   #655
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Another to fuel the fire for long draw guys!!



I think a deep impact would work for that. Or 250 x impact. What do u cut your arrows at

I cut like 1/2" off his arrows, he **** near shoots a full shaft.
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Old 02-05-2015, 04:37 PM   #656
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Yep, I'm 99% sure I'll be able to shoot them out of the freak I'm getting since even with a 33" draw (max, not what I'll shoot) they should still have decent clearance past my limbdriver. They were 32.5" cut if I remember correctly.
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Yep, I'm 99% sure I'll be able to shoot them out of the freak I'm getting since even with a 33" draw (max, not what I'll shoot) they should still have decent clearance past my limbdriver. They were 32.5" cut if I remember correctly.

I was looking at a freak. Never had a chance to shoot one before I found my Strother Moxie.

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Old 02-05-2015, 05:32 PM   #658
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I'll be sure t get a review up once I shoot. Online calculators have me shooting about 300 fps with 515 gr arrows. 615 grain arrows put me at about 265 fps, and a 560 grain arrow has me at 275 or so. All rough estimates of course, but good speed none the less.
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We should have us a get together .....
I'd really love to meet you guys!
Maybe buy you all a round of diet cokes :thumbup:
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I'd really love to meet you guys!
Maybe buy you all a round of diet cokes :thumbup:

You'll have to come to Iowa
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I was looking at a freak. Never had a chance to shoot one before I found my Strother Moxie.

Let us know what you think

You shoot an awesome bow.
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I pm'd you about that
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You shoot an awesome bow.

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Now it's time to shank something with it!
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Gold tip 22 series arrows are thin walled and not real durable. When I shot 3d with them I had some actually snap in the targets. So for hunting I am not sure they would stand up to the beating you might give them, especially with all that weight up front.

You guys do realize the longer you dabble about what arrow to shoot you are costing yourself hunting time. But hey what do I know...


shoot whatever floats your boat, we all want to be happy. been shooting pigs year around for over three years with gt .22's never had a structural failure yet.

arrow stays in pig it's probably toast, passthrough probably good doesn't matter much what shaft. shoot a bunch of pigs you will break some arrows, just happens but structural failure not seeing it.

not saying anyone should shoot them, just saying if they interest you don't let anyone run you off the idea.
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Old 02-06-2015, 08:52 PM   #665
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Ok big boys. I just shot a test arrow. It's 542 gn. It has 24% foc. It shot 250 fps.


That is .601 M O M E N T UM. Haha not bad for a short guy. That is at 66 lb.
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Ok big boys. I just shot a test arrow. It's 542 gn. It has 24% foc. It shot 250 fps.


That is .601 M O M E N T UM. Haha not bad for a short guy. That is at 66 lb.
I like those numbers ! I'd prolly be shooting 275fps with that arrow. Good stuff Newman. What was the fine verdict with spine testing
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Ok big boys. I just shot a test arrow. It's 542 gn. It has 24% foc. It shot 250 fps.


That is .601 M O M E N T UM. Haha not bad for a short guy. That is at 66 lb.

Well done, who does it tune?
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I like those numbers ! I'd prolly be shooting 275fps with that arrow. Good stuff Newman. What was the fine verdict with spine testing
I'm still testing. That arrow is 28 long. Thinking about cutting and adding more weight. That arrow has 275 total up,front. Have not done any tuning yet.


Also. Just to let you know. If I back them numbers out that makes my ibo 361. Hehe

I did shoot one fletch and one bare. The bare was straight above the fletch about 2 inches this was at 20 yards

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Guy contacted me and wanted some arrows. Offered to build a 612 @ 24.5%, for him......... He never responded once I came back with the specs......... Said he needed to be between 40-50%?
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Guy contacted me and wanted some arrows. Offered to build a 612 @ 24.5%, for him......... He never responded once I came back with the specs......... Said he needed to be between 40-50%?
I was wondering if this kinda f o c was possible
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Guy contacted me and wanted some arrows. Offered to build a 612 @ 24.5%, for him......... He never responded once I came back with the specs......... Said he needed to be between 40-50%?

Whats he hunting? T-Rex? :-)

Is that even possible?

Off the top of my head I'd say a EFOC Grizzly Stick in 175 spine and what like 500 grains up front?
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UEFOC; yes it is possible, it's anything north of 30%. You just can't do practically speaking with a conventional shaft. There is a threshold at around 26% where we just rap the shaft out in terms of spine, even at shorter arrow lengths. Couple that amount of tip weight with somebody shooting 70#'s, shaft is going to be weak. You are looking
at a tapered shaft to build that type of UEFOC, or should I say build it properly.
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UEFOC; yes it is possible, it's anything north of 30%. You just can't do practically speaking with a conventional shaft. There is a threshold at around 26% where we just rap the shaft out in terms of spine, even at shorter arrow lengths. Couple that amount of tip weight with somebody shooting 70#'s, shaft is going to be weak. You are looking
at a tapered shaft to build that type of UEFOC, or should I say build it properly.
How many grains up front ?
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Whats he hunting? T-Rex? :-)

Is that even possible?

Off the top of my head I'd say a EFOC Grizzly Stick in 175 spine and what like 500 grains up front?

That's how you do it. Just remember guys, 100 grains is only going to get you about 5-6% increase in FOC. So I had 24.5% with 320 up front that means I would have to add about 120 to get to 30+%, that's 440 grains tip weight. That 250 Carnivore isn't going to hold that at 27.750 x 70#'s.
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Just to look. I took the test arrow. Nits 28 in carbon to carbon. It has 18 gn fletch. With 50 gn insert and a 225 gn tip. I installed a 435 gn tip. It now has 33 % foc. So It took a total of 485 gn up front just to get to 33% foc. So over 800 gn up front to get to 50% foc with the arrow I have. Don't think I would shoot it. But I'm fixing to shoot the one with the 435 gn tip

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Ok I shot th3 33% foc arrow. It weight was 753 gn. Momentum was .721
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Ok I shot th3 33% foc arrow. It weight was 753 gn. Momentum was .721

Heck yeah!
Your new arrow?
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Not that one. To much. I did that just to see how much weight to get above 30% foc.


I'm figuring around the 540 range when I'm done
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Ok I shot th3 33% foc arrow. It weight was 753 gn. Momentum was .721
What does IBO-397 refer to.
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What does IBO-397 refer to.
http://www.huntersfriend.com/_help_p...hatsthis11.htm

Hope this helps explain it better than I can
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Hope this helps explain it better than I can
I'm pretty sure I grasp what IBO means.
I was referring to the 397 number.
I was unaware of a bow that had an IBO of 397 fps.
If this 397 was used to calculate the end result, it might be wrong.
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All that ibo shows is how efficient. The bow is getting as the weight goes up.

My bow ibo is 360. So if I use that ibo number. With the other info it calculates the arrow speed to be 178 fps. When I shot it. It shot 215. So you adjust the ibo setting to get to actual speed of the bow. So now it gives a ibo of 397. This is just to show the gain the bow is doing as weight goes up.

The 215 fps was not calculated. But is the actual fps of that arrow in my bow.

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Let's talk about on line calculators. They are just a tool. If gives you the speed of a bow if the bow shows its actual ibo. My bow is 360 ibo. So when I calculate that with an ibo arrow it shows the bow should shoot 321 fps. It does not. It shoots around 314. So I can adjust the ibo number till the speed matches the actual speed. Then it shows my bow ibo 353. So it shows my bow to be running 8 ft slow

Then I shoot other arrows going up in weight. What I find for my bow. Once I get to a 542 gn arrow my bow is now reached 361. What this is telling me that my bow is low on Ibo and is gaining Efficiency as the arrow weight goes up.

Not all cams react the same. Binari cams don't seem to gain. They do best at ibo. But again this is all in the design of the cam.
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All that ibo shows is how efficient. The bow is getting as the weight goes up.

My bow ibo is 360. So if I use that ibo number. With the other info it calculates the arrow speed to be 178 fps. When I shot it. It shot 215. So you adjust the ibo setting to get to actual speed of the bow. So now it gives a ibo of 397. This is just to show the gain the bow is doing as weight goes up.

The 215 fps was not calculated. But is the actual fps of that arrow in my bow.
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Let's talk about on line calculators. They are just a tool. If gives you the speed of a bow if the bow shows its actual ibo. My bow is 360 ibo. So when I calculate that with an ibo arrow it shows the bow should shoot 321 fps. It does not. It shoots around 314. So I can adjust the ibo number till the speed matches the actual speed. Then it shows my bow ibo 353. So it shows my bow to be running 8 ft slow

Then I shoot other arrows going up in weight. What I find for my bow. Once I get to a 542 gn arrow my bow is now reached 361. What this is telling me that my bow is low on Ibo and is gaining Efficiency as the arrow weight goes up.

Not all cams react the same. Binari cams don't seem to gain. They do best at ibo. But again this is all in the design of the cam.
So the calculator is extrapolating backwards from that arrow at 215 fps to achieve a 397 fps IBO?
And in reality the bow doesn't get to the advertised IBO with an IBO arrow?
I hope I'm following you correctly.
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So the calculator is extrapolating backwards from that arrow at 215 fps to achieve a 397 fps IBO?
And in reality the bow doesn't get to the advertised IBO with an IBO arrow?
I hope I'm following you correctly.
Yes you are.

But what you do see is how effeicent the mr series cams are with the weight.

The d350 with the overdrive cams seem to do good with heavy arrows.

I have seen very few bows hit ibo. One of the worse I've seen was the rpm360. Down fall was it was one of the best drawing bows I've shot.

Now I'm seeing the hoyt nitrum 34 hitting ibo but the turbo is not.

The new obsesion bows are dead on with ibo arrow. But start loosing at around 450 gn arrow.

I would consider my bow good at only 8 from ibo. Considering the way mathews rates there bows.

I will also tell you. With an arrow above 500 gn and at my draw of 26.5 I have not shot nor seen any bows with reviews are post.that have out performs mr series at my specs. I am waiting to see some results from the apa m5 from a guy in Arizona.
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Newman the turbos hitting 8 fps faster than rated with proper tuning. On the # 2 e slot cam
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Yes you are.



But what you do see is how effeicent the mr series cams are with the weight.



The d350 with the overdrive cams seem to do good with heavy arrows.



I have seen very few bows hit ibo. One of the worse I've seen was the rpm360. Down fall was it was one of the best drawing bows I've shot.



Now I'm seeing the hoyt nitrum 34 hitting ibo but the turbo is not.



The new obsesion bows are dead on with ibo arrow. But start loosing at around 450 gn arrow.



I would consider my bow good at only 8 from ibo. Considering the way mathews rates there bows.



I will also tell you. With an arrow above 500 gn and at my draw of 26.5 I have not shot nor seen any bows with reviews are post.that have out performs mr series at my specs. I am waiting to see some results from the apa m5 from a guy in Arizona.

Do you have any experience with the Strother Moxie and the Badger cam gaining efficiency as the weight goes up
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Newman the turbos hitting 8 fps faster than rated with proper tuning. On the # 2 e slot cam
so I. Guessing it depends on the cam. It does always seem the hoyt does better at that 28 in with number 2 cam.


I'll see if I can find where I saw the results between the two bows
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Do you have any experience with the Strother Moxie and the Badger cam gaining efficiency as the weight goes up
Sorry not at all. In our area we only have the mathews,bowtech, pse, and hoyt.

So that is all I get today with
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so I. Guessing it depends on the cam. It does always seem the hoyt does better at that 28 in with number 2 cam.


I'll see if I can find where I saw the results between the two bows
To me that's all that matters
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Newman the turbos hitting 8 fps faster than rated with proper tuning. On the # 2 e slot cam
Ok it was here. Look at the post docmay made on comparison. The two shot the same. And the 34 was at ibo. The turbo was about 6 off at the 450 gn and 9 off at the 485 gn.
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I will show u my conclusions when I get some tuning in
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And I think on the 34 that was top of cam. And turbo bottom
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I will show u my conclusions when I get some tuning in
Great thanks. I do like how the turbo looks. I got to see one in that harvest brown. Now that is a great looking bow. I may have a chance to test that bow at 26.5 draw but it will be at 50 lbs.
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I'm hoping it'll finish mid 290's if not high 290's after some bareshafting. Ontarget7 is going to help me
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Old 02-07-2015, 12:30 PM   #698
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I'm hoping it'll finish mid 290's if not high 290's after some bareshafting. Ontarget7 is going to help me
How are you getting ontarget7. He is the guy from archerytalk right


If so that guy can shoot
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Old 02-07-2015, 12:31 PM   #699
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Yea from AT I have him on face book and is going to talk me through what he does to get the results he does. I know with nock level top cam advanced only he was getting really good results.

After that we will play with yokes
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Yea from AT I have him on face book and is going to talk me through what he does to get the results he does. I know with nock level top cam advanced only he was getting really good results.

After that we will play with yokes
Keep us posted on how to. I've been working with several methods myself. I'm always up,for the learning.
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