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Old 12-07-2017, 05:05 PM   #51
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Mule Deer population is way down in general across the west though. It's not just local to Texas. There are other things killing them off, some of it whitetails moving into Mule Deer territory, along with whitetails breeding with MD does (That's why so many 3x3's). We watched a couple of whitetails run off MD bucks in New Mexico and breed the MD doe. Crazy scene.
How do you tag a hybrid, muley or whitetail tag?, seen some of those at Matador...
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Old 12-07-2017, 05:07 PM   #52
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How do you tag a hybrid, muley or whitetail tag?, seen some of those at Matador...
Under 20" WT over MD
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Old 12-07-2017, 05:09 PM   #53
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Old 12-07-2017, 05:10 PM   #54
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I am in Armstrong county so this wont affect me, however there is zero mule deer doe season in this county and at times you can count 30-40 doe per 1-2 bucks... Why can we not shoot doe here is ask?
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Old 12-07-2017, 05:13 PM   #55
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I am in Armstrong county so this wont affect me, however there is zero mule deer doe season in this county and at times you can count 30-40 doe per 1-2 bucks... Why can we not shoot doe here is ask?
It likely will eventually assuming it works, the AR for whitetail started in 6 counties in the southeast part of the state, now the eastern third of the state is all AR. I'm sure if it works their plan is to have it across the whole panhandle.
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Old 12-07-2017, 05:15 PM   #56
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I have no doubt that this is true in certain areas, but here, they all commune in the same places.
I hunt Briscoe and just spent a week there. I would bet most of the commune in same places are feed station areas or wheatfield no?
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Old 12-07-2017, 05:22 PM   #57
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I hunt Briscoe and just spent a week there. I would bet most of the commune in same places are feed station areas or wheatfield no?
No sir. Here, they travel together and bed down together. I watch them throughout the year when checking cows. I see far more mule deer than I do whitetails simply because we have more mule deer. I have never seen a whitetail though that wasn't with mule deer in this part of the world.
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Old 12-07-2017, 05:31 PM   #58
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I agree with this. It's was also pretty easy to get mule deer doe tags. I think we were getting around 8 doe tags for 4K acres. But it was nothing to see 100+ does in our wheat field.


We get the max for our acreage, which I think is 15 for 22k.


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Old 12-07-2017, 05:35 PM   #59
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How do you tag a hybrid, muley or whitetail tag?, seen some of those at Matador...
The tail determined the tag according to the GW that told me.
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Old 12-07-2017, 05:41 PM   #60
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No sir. Here, they travel together and bed down together. I watch them throughout the year when checking cows. I see far more mule deer than I do whitetails simply because we have more mule deer. I have never seen a whitetail though that wasn't with mule deer in this part of the world.
Well Iím dang sure smart enough not to debate a man that is out there every day. I would be curious to know the terrain of your ranch though. Rolling hills,canyons? We are working on improvements to take ours back to native pasture the best we can which should help with the MD but more curious than anything.
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Old 12-07-2017, 05:53 PM   #61
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Well Iím dang sure smart enough not to debate a man that is out there every day. I would be curious to know the terrain of your ranch though. Rolling hills,canyons? We are working on improvements to take ours back to native pasture the best we can which should help with the MD but more curious than anything.
In Reagan county I see the young WTs with the MD doe - itís like the orphaned ones latch on. Funny thing is that the MD yearlings will bully the young WTs I see. At least thatís my experience
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Old 12-07-2017, 05:55 PM   #62
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Well Iím dang sure smart enough not to debate a man that is out there every day. I would be curious to know the terrain of your ranch though. Rolling hills,canyons? We are working on improvements to take ours back to native pasture the best we can which should help with the MD but more curious than anything.
We have rolling sandhills and flat farmland. A lot of the pasture is actually expired CRP. Little to no mesquite. Native grasses, sage, four wing saltbush, sand shinnery, sand plum, and sumac are the predominant plants. We don't have anywhere near the drastic topography that Briscoe County does.
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:08 PM   #63
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I agree with this 100%. We have more Mule Deer on our lease that we do whitetail. But most of the numbers of Mule deer are made up of does. It's not uncommon for me to see 15-20 Mule deer does in one sit. Some of the Mule deer does we have are very old and very poor body condition. I have often thought they should keep the Mule deer buck season the same 2 week length ( to help control the number of harvests) and then have an extended for season where there would be able to be at least something that resembled management for Mule deer.
Definitely. I've seen groups of does from 5-25. Instead of a mldp tag for does, we could get one doe per our state license.
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:31 PM   #64
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We have rolling sandhills and flat farmland. A lot of the pasture is actually expired CRP. Little to no mesquite. Native grasses, sage, four wing saltbush, sand shinnery, sand plum, and sumac are the predominant plants. We don't have anywhere near the drastic topography that Briscoe County does.
I've seen some big ones in that vein of sand hills up 385 between littlefild and spring lake.
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:45 PM   #65
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In that area I would agree. I have seen several deer taken in the last 3 years that would NOT come close to meeting that restriction or even 1/2 way close. The wardens talk about how SOOOOOOOOO many young muledeer bucks are harvested as well. The study they just finished up where they ear tagged and radio collared deer had trouble getting enough deer to live through the period of the study and not be shot by hunters. The deer that did live through the experiment and weren't harvested were surprisingly decent quality bucks.
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:52 PM   #66
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We have rolling sandhills and flat farmland. A lot of the pasture is actually expired CRP. Little to no mesquite. Native grasses, sage, four wing saltbush, sand shinnery, sand plum, and sumac are the predominant plants. We don't have anywhere near the drastic topography that Briscoe County does.
Understood thanks for letting me know. I think this will help tremendously and once the #s start to rebound the does should be addressed but that is a ways out.. at least where Iím at.
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:55 PM   #67
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I've seen some big ones in that vein of sand hills up 385 between littlefild and spring lake.


That's the same vein of Sandhills I'm talking about.


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Old 12-08-2017, 08:33 AM   #68
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i own land in three of the counties mentioned. i took the survey and and i agree with the antler restriction 100%. i am an avid hunter and it pains me to see what people are willing to kill on the last day of the season just to kill something. plenty of hogs and coyotes around if you have an itchy trigger finger! i have looked over at least 20 mule deer bucks this year and none of them would meet the requirements. i do understand people wanting to get something for their money, but arent you really "leasing" the experience anyway? if you wanted to buy a big deer, there are plenty of places around that will sell you one. i actually wish they would manage the WT up here more stringently as well.
Who cares what other people are willing to harvest that makes them happy? Pretty liberal way of thinking, in my opinion.
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Old 12-08-2017, 09:08 AM   #69
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Yep. And once the whitetails breed with MD does, the racks stay tiny. Gotta keep em separate.
That's not necessarily true, I've seen some giant hybrids. Mostly whitetail looking antlers but 170"+ of bone is anything but tiny.....
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Old 12-08-2017, 09:43 AM   #70
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That's a pretty good argument for the ARs. All those yearling and 2 yr old forks and 3x3s getting killed young every year means no mature bucks with decent racks.

OR MAYBE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE GENETIC'S IN THE AREA WE USE PROTEIN AND COTTONSEED AND EVEN RICW BRAN CAKES JUST SAYIN
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Old 12-08-2017, 10:19 AM   #71
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That's a pretty good argument for the ARs. All those yearling and 2 yr old forks and 3x3s getting killed young every year means no mature bucks with decent racks.



OR MAYBE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE GENETIC'S IN THE AREA WE USE PROTEIN AND COTTONSEED AND EVEN RICW BRAN CAKES JUST SAYIN


The biggest contributing factor to big antlers is age and what lots of folks fail to realize is muleys take longer to mature than whitetail. A 4.5 year old muley is equivalent to a 3.5 year old whitetail you have to let them grow.

I wish they would implement this down in west texas as well. Ward, Ector, Loving, Winkler, Gaines, Crane and northern Pecos counties. We have deer out here but are far and few between on our place in ward and northern pecos. But all the places around us hunt and are willing to shoot first buck that meanders by. Wouldnt hurt my feelings if they closed mule deer season in ward county for about 20 years


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Old 12-08-2017, 10:52 AM   #72
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Who cares what other people are willing to harvest that makes them happy? Pretty liberal way of thinking, in my opinion.
you clearly dont agree with any restrictions to "happiness". THATS a pretty liberal way of thinking IN MY OPINION. this is a debate on antler restrictions. why quote my opinion as a "liberal way of thinking", and not just say that you believe antler restrictions are a liberal way of thinking?

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Old 12-08-2017, 05:54 PM   #73
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I would love to see some type of antler restriction on the mulie bucks. I see a lot of young bucks shot just so someone can say they have shot a mulie. There also needs to be a way to help with the doe population. It's almost impossible to get mulie doe tags. It's hard to manage a herd when all people can do is shoot bucks, so that is what they do. If they see a buck it dies.
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Old 12-08-2017, 06:04 PM   #74
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We get the max for our acreage, which I think is 15 for 22k.


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We were MLD so probably why we got more.
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Old Yesterday, 10:24 PM   #75
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Hunt in Hall Co. 5 years on 1080 acres. I have never seen 1 Mule Deer buck that would meet the harvest restrictions. We have tons of md does. We get 2 doe permits a year. Our neighbor across the road has 2000 acres and is MLD. He got 19 md doe pemits this year. Said he could have filled 25 easily and not hurt his population. I think higher doe harvest and some antler restrictions would be a good thing.
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