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Old 12-07-2017, 09:34 AM   #1
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What do you consider acceptable to hunt with? I see people saying that they used "x" brand of bullet and it shot 1.5" group but they are not happy. Just wondering what y'alls opinions are.

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I am talking about strictly a hunting rifle.
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Old 12-07-2017, 09:40 AM   #3
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I never have measured a group. If I can hit a golf ball at 100 yards it's good. If holes are touching or close to it,it's good.
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Old 12-07-2017, 09:40 AM   #4
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Less than an inch for me.
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Old 12-07-2017, 09:49 AM   #5
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How far do you plan to shoot? Group size at what distance? What are you hunting?
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Old 12-07-2017, 09:52 AM   #6
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I am talking about strictly a hunting rifle.
Really depends on the rifle. I'm very happy shooting 1 to 2" groups with my 30/30 but my .308 shoots less than 1" all day. What caliber are we talking about?
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Old 12-07-2017, 09:54 AM   #7
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Sub MOA and if I can’t get a gun there with factory ammo.....then I get rid of the gun. With today’s technology there’s no good reason why a gun shouldn’t be sub MOA.
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No specific caliber, shooting deer, hogs, varmints. 250yds or less


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Sub MOA and if I can’t get a gun there with factory ammo.....then I get rid of the gun. With today’s technology there’s no good reason why a gun shouldn’t be sub MOA.
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Old 12-07-2017, 10:09 AM   #10
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100 yards three shots, one ragged hole. 200 yards 1" or less. But as mentioned above, that's my bolt action rifles. For my 30/30 or 357 lever guns 2" at 100 will work.
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Old 12-07-2017, 10:11 AM   #11
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Definitely Sub MOA. A 1.5” group at 100 can easily be 4-5” group at 250
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Old 12-07-2017, 10:11 AM   #12
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Simple answer is accurate enough you can keep all bullets in the vitals of the game you are after at the intended range. I have killed deer with old lever actions that would not do less than 4 inch groups on a given day but kept in their accuracy range limitations they worked fine.

Learn through practice limitations of the system that consists if you, the gun and the ammo. Stay within those limitations and all is good.

Had a Kentucky 45 caliber rifle put together from a kit that with the sights and my eyes 70 yards was my max range yet it killed deer just fine with a patched round ball by keeping all shots where I was comfortable hunting with it. .
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Old 12-07-2017, 10:16 AM   #13
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A 4” group at 250 yards still kills anything except a prairie dog. I killed many deer in my youth with a Rem 742 in 30-06. They were well known to not shoot tight groups. Some of those deer were 200 yd. plus. That said, the .280 I use now shoots tight groups and that’s good !
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Old 12-07-2017, 11:15 AM   #14
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Sub MOA and if I can’t get a gun there with factory ammo.....then I get rid of the gun. With today’s technology there’s no good reason why a gun shouldn’t be sub MOA.


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Old 12-07-2017, 11:18 AM   #15
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Any caliber at or less than an 1in @100yd for me. Only exception would be 22lr or other rimfire rounds.
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Old 12-07-2017, 11:36 AM   #16
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.5 MOA and better is where I get happy.
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Old 12-07-2017, 11:53 AM   #17
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.5 MOA and better is where I get happy.


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Old 12-07-2017, 12:05 PM   #18
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2" ish at 100 yards is good for me on a hunting rifle but I've only shot a few animals beyond 75-80 yards in my entire life.
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Old 12-07-2017, 12:26 PM   #19
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Wow, a 250 yard hunting rifle, here I thought you had to shoot out to 500 for hunting nowadays. And all rifles have to shoot 1/4moa all day long or they suck. Your probably only gonna put a couple hundred dollar scope on your **** deer rifle that only shoots 1.5 inches or so. Hell that sounds......sensible.

While I like bolt guns that shoot 1inch or less in three shot groups Or even 5 shot groups (I know three shot groups are so outdated) 1.5ish is plenty good enough out to 300 and probably even further for deer size targets. I do hope however that if you get a good enough gun, you don't get it in something like a 270 Or else you will be the laughing stock of TBH and deer camp. Every one knows 270, 3006, and the like bounce off deer now
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Old 12-07-2017, 12:37 PM   #20
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Every one knows 270, 3006, and the like bounce off deer now
That's if the bullet will even reach the deer...
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Old 12-07-2017, 12:42 PM   #21
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That's if the bullet will even reach the deer...
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Old 12-07-2017, 12:50 PM   #22
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Have done the 500+ yard shots but still much prefer to actually hunt and get as close as I can to the intended game. A lot of my rifle kills have been closer than some of my bow kills. Hunting is fun but those close encounters are a lot of fun. On my place in Mississippi my longest kill has been 220 yards the rest of the 50+ deer on that place have been inside 70 with most inside 40 yards. lease here in Texas that I have had for 17 years longest shots were on the 2 best bucks I have taken on it and they were 140 and 150 yards. I prepare for long shots but mostly shoot at close range if I can set up for it. One day during season shot at 100, 300, 400 and 800 yards then killed my deer that afternoon at 18 yards, but I was sure of the shot.
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Old 12-07-2017, 01:06 PM   #23
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<1" at 100 yards.

I have a 6" 200 yard gong and if I go 100% on a five shot group I'm ready to roll.
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Old 12-07-2017, 01:10 PM   #24
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Slug gun shoots 3.5" group. I'm happy with that.
My 444 is around 2-3" open sights. I'm happy with that.
My 243 is .5" and I'm happy with that!!

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My last range trip I was shooting 1" to 1 1/4" groups at 100 yards which is worse than usual but I had to remind myself I hadn't shot in a year. For hunting the places I hunt that is more than adequate.
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Old 12-07-2017, 01:18 PM   #27
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Here’s what a lot of people don’t realize. If your rifle is sighted to the middle of where it groups. A one and a half inch group puts you within .75 inches of your aiming point.
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Old 12-07-2017, 01:52 PM   #28
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Academy bore sights all mine in for me. I just tell them I want it dead nutz from 100-1000yds.

I pay a little extra but it's worth it when I let the air out of those big uns.
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Here’s what a lot of people don’t realize. If your rifle is sighted to the middle of where it groups. A one and a half inch group puts you within .75 inches of your aiming point.
...at 100 yards, on a bench rest, with all your breathing under control, etc....

If you're hunting and shooting at longer ranges, or if you're "really hunting" and stalking in closer and shooting off hand or off some shooting sticks while standing or kneeling, and you have an elevated heart rate, maybe a little out of breath, maybe a little buck fever, etc... then that 1.5" accuracy you get on the bench in perfect shooting conditions might be more like 6" at 100 yards under hunting conditions. If your rifle shoots 1/2" groups on the bench, maybe it's 2" at 100 yards under hunting conditions.
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Old 12-07-2017, 02:26 PM   #31
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.5 MOA
I like the confidence I gain from knowing the rifle will shoot 1.5" groups at 300 yards.
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Old 12-07-2017, 03:04 PM   #32
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When I was younger 3 shots in a skoal can at 100 was good.
Now I tend to "tune" my guns to the max same as my bow.
I mostly blame my OCD friend who decided to start re-loading.
I rarely shoot any animal further than 120 yards. no more than 6 animals killed past 250 in my life and none past 300.
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Old 12-07-2017, 03:10 PM   #33
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The buffalo must have all died from diseases, Lord knows them old Sharps 50s wouldn't shoot .5 MOA
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Old 12-07-2017, 03:37 PM   #34
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.5" or better

Usually not going to be that sturdy hunting. So having the most accurate rifle is key so even if you are off you will sti
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Old 12-07-2017, 04:21 PM   #35
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Between .75 and .50 MOA or I sell the gun
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Old 12-07-2017, 05:13 PM   #36
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Ive been to the gun range a fair bit, and many many people are not 1" consistently or even 1.5" consistently (at 100yrds), especially with factory ammo. Im not saying <1" @ 100 cannot be done, but its not common a, high standard. Ive got two rifles that will repeatedly 5 shot under an 1", a few that 3 shot 1" repeatedly, these are factory ammo, and it took a few diff boxes to get it. Simply saying 0.5-0.75 is hard, requires skill and way more than needed to shoot/kill most deer.

Kill zone on a deer is 8-10" easy, 2"groups At 100 are fine, from a killing point. there are many write ups on targeting a gun for 3" max rise/fall for optimum killing range. Not everyone needs MOA or less to be an efficient deer killer. The distance of the shot seems an important variable to be considered when looking at group sizes. Shooting skill would also seem to be most important, repeatedly being able to controlling breathing, and aim, and shooting 2" groups would be fine.
Nothing wrong with striving for greatness, aim small/miss small. But have we come to a point in technology, where so many off shelf guns are accurate that we set the bar higer?
Im 34, but remember when 1" @ 100 was great, and aftermarket builds, reloads where were you shot under.

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if any of yall want to give away those worthless <1" at 100yrd guns let me know.

I do hunt East Texas, so everything under 100yrds.
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Sighting in I want 1" or less @ 100 yds. off of a rest. In a hunting situation if I happen to have a bad shot it will be on me, not my rifle.
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Old 12-07-2017, 05:56 PM   #39
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Most people I know can,t shoot a 1"with a gun thats capable of 5 in same hole..
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“Only accurate rifles are interesting,” Col. Townsend Whelen


I won't keep a gun I plan to use / hunt with unless it meets accuracy requirements I expect for the particular firearm. When I first started reloading & then got into the short benchrest game some 25+ years ago, I used to chase that lest tenth of an inch in all my long guns but don't sweat it that much anymore. I'll be making that decision on a late 40's pre-64 swift over the next few weeks. If it was 100% all original, it would be considered one for the collection & accuracy concerns don't mean much for safe queen / investment guns to me.

So much goes into sub moa guns & many good guns people own will likely do better simply getting a better scope that will remove the parallax...the critters won't be able to tell the difference but fixed parallax'd scopes can have quite a bit of movement on paper & bragging rights.
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if any of yall want to give away those worthless <1" at 100yrd guns let me know.

I do hunt East Texas, so everything under 100yrds.
It really isn't an issue when you can't see much farther than the end of your gun barrel. But if you hunt West Texas or other areas where long shots aren't just possible but sometimes are all you get, accuracy matters.

I shot this mule deer at 400 yards up in the Panhandle. I was sitting on top of the canyon rim you can see between the buck's antlers in the picture when I shot. Being off by 1 MOA at that distance could have easily meant a miss or, worse, a gut shot.

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depends on the person, the gun and the ammo,,, factory ammo in anything that's under 1" at 100 yards is good....

but i hand load and have been doing so for over 36 years,,, my hand loads for .30 an larger must do less than 1/2" at 100 all the time, or i keep looming for the load that will.

went on my first prairie dog hunt last year,,, a 1/2 " group with them is not acceptable ( 223 and 204), it must be better, much better, i did not have time to load for the 204 but found the hornady factory load 32 gr bullet capable of .25" at 100,,, real good for factory ammo

the .223 hand loads were doing slightly better,, not bad for a light barreled Mossburg mpv with factory trigger and untouched stock.....

best group i ever got was from a stock ruger mk2 in 308,, .038,,, i like to have never got that group measured,,, my sgt was at the range with me that day doing the spotting,,, after it was done he told me i had just put 3 bullets in the exact same hole,, i thought he was pulling my leg until he shot it and turned in a snug little clover leaf himself with it
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What do you consider acceptable to hunt with? I see people saying that they used "x" brand of bullet and it shot 1.5" group but they are not happy. Just wondering what y'alls opinions are.

Thanks
In the past few years I have gotten more and more into the long range hunting deal with my rifles. I find the most accurate loads and do full bedding jobs on my rifles etc.... I want mine at 1/2 MOA or under. That is a little much for the average Joe who hunts out of a box blind and his only shots are 100yds to a deer feeder. I would think this "avg Joe" would be ok with anything under 2" at 100 yds.
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:37 PM   #44
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Where is pic?

I added where I hunt, because I know that it makes me biased since I have no hunting experience with shots >100yrd, actually probable 80ish. Gotta love the deep woods.
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Shane, the country look beautiful. Seems crazy glassing for deer, compared to what Im used to. My brother and I went to Lake Merideth hunting before. He is way better at glassing than I am. I was nervous about 300yrds.
I can see the importance of good groupings at longer ranges, I hope to acquire the skill to do it one day;
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Can some of you 1/2” shooters post some 5 shot groups? We will see if your hunting/carry rifle meets your standards!

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Old 12-07-2017, 08:16 PM   #47
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I like .5 moa or better but have killed deer with an old lever gun that might shoot 3” on a good day. To each their own


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Old 12-08-2017, 03:01 AM   #48
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Can some of you 1/2” shooters post some 5 shot groups? We will see if your hunting/carry rifle meets your standards!
First one is a 1 shot group but he had it coming.











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Old 12-08-2017, 09:52 AM   #49
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I prefer as accurate as possible. But Minute of Pie Plate will take care of the kill zone.


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Old 12-08-2017, 11:15 AM   #50
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Here are some pics from my last project a cheapo Remington 783 in 308. I did a rattle can camo paint job on it and glass bedded it.

1st pic is factory Federal 175gr SMK BTHPs at 100yds 6 shots
2nd and 3rd self explanatory
4th pic is groups from a Rem 783 in 30.06 I bedded for a friend
5th My Rem 783 in 308 with factory Fed 175gr SMK BTHPs 1.9 MOA @1000yds not to bad for a $300 rifle.
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