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Old 12-07-2017, 06:00 PM   #351
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I'm actually surprised at the number of current commits planing to sign early.

Of the 18 currently committed, 12 have said they'll sign on the 20th. Now it looks like 15 will sign on the 20th and 7 will early enroll.

I didn't think the early period would have that much of an impact.


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I think the general thinking is if you don't sign in December then you aren't really committed. December to February will probably be more crazy than ever before for those that don't sign early plus a lot of guys that don't have their grades squared away by the end of fall semester.

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Bob just likes to ruffle feathers. Jimbo is supposed to go 9-3 in his first season but it is a ok for tommy boy to go 6-6 and need some time.
Expectations should be higher. TH was $25 million guaranteed, JF is $75 million guaranteed. JF has more to work with than TH had in his first year.

Tom Herman took over a team whose previous 3 seasons were:
6-7 overall and 5-4 in conference
5-7 overall and 4-5 in conference
5-7 overall and 3-6 in conference

Jimbo took over a team whose previous 3 seasons were:
8-5 overall and 4-4 in conference
8-5 overall and 4-4 in conference
7-5 overall and 4-4 in conference (with bowl game still to be played)

Improve by 1 win in first season is 6-7 for TH and 9-4 for JF. Neither is OK. Both will need time to get where they need to be. Would be nice for both to be 10+ wins and start playing each other again.
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Looks like the accusations against Rodney Anderson were a load of crap and there is no evidence that any of it was truthful
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Looks like the accusations against Rodney Anderson were a load of crap and there is no evidence that any of it was truthful


That's pretty much where I figured that deal was headed.


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That Herm hire at ASU is gonna be something to watch, lol.


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Looks like the accusations against Rodney Anderson were a load of crap and there is no evidence that any of it was truthful
If that is true hopefully he gets to play in the game.
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Looks that way. I hope they bring charges against the accuser
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I got an email back from the University president today after I voiced my displeasure. He copied the AD but I doubt I will hear back. We are going to be the laughing stock for the next few years. His press conference provided plenty
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Expectations should be higher. TH was $25 million guaranteed, JF is $75 million guaranteed. JF has more to work with than TH had in his first year.

Tom Herman took over a team whose previous 3 seasons were:
6-7 overall and 5-4 in conference
5-7 overall and 4-5 in conference
5-7 overall and 3-6 in conference

Jimbo took over a team whose previous 3 seasons were:
8-5 overall and 4-4 in conference
8-5 overall and 4-4 in conference
7-5 overall and 4-4 in conference (with bowl game still to be played)

Improve by 1 win in first season is 6-7 for TH and 9-4 for JF. Neither is OK. Both will need time to get where they need to be. Would be nice for both to be 10+ wins and start playing each other again.
How do you think recruiting classes and apparent talent affect where a coach should be in any given timeframe?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the same thing happen to Frank Shannon and OU still made him sit out a year due to title 9? He was never charged or arrested.
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:54 PM   #362
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Expectations should be higher. TH was $25 million guaranteed, JF is $75 million guaranteed. JF has more to work with than TH had in his first year.



Tom Herman took over a team whose previous 3 seasons were:

6-7 overall and 5-4 in conference

5-7 overall and 4-5 in conference

5-7 overall and 3-6 in conference



Jimbo took over a team whose previous 3 seasons were:

8-5 overall and 4-4 in conference

8-5 overall and 4-4 in conference

7-5 overall and 4-4 in conference (with bowl game still to be played)



Improve by 1 win in first season is 6-7 for TH and 9-4 for JF. Neither is OK. Both will need time to get where they need to be. Would be nice for both to be 10+ wins and start playing each other again.


If Texas doesn’t win their bowl game, this will be Texas’ 4th straight losing record.

It’s really hard to believe all of this happened with the school that basically dwarfs its competition in the Big 12 in history, revenue, etc...

It reminds me of the Michigan fall from the ranks after Lloyd Carr.


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Yes. Frank Shannon went through the same thing.
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Yes. Frank Shannon went through the same thing.
And was not allowed to play?
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If Texas doesn’t win their bowl game, this will be Texas’ 4th straight losing record.

It’s really hard to believe all of this happened with the school that basically dwarfs its competition in the Big 12 in history, revenue, etc...

It reminds me of the Michigan fall from the ranks after Lloyd Carr.


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Tom Herman has said it's going to take time. I thought the TH hire came with "win, and win now". And now he has to go toe to toe with Jimbo recruiting in Texas.
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And was not allowed to play?


1 year suspension.
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1 year suspension.
Yup. I'm afraid this will happen with Anderson.
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The Title IX investigation may keep him off the field.
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Expectations should be higher. TH was $25 million guaranteed, JF is $75 million guaranteed. JF has more to work with than TH had in his first year.

Tom Herman took over a team whose previous 3 seasons were:
6-7 overall and 5-4 in conference
5-7 overall and 4-5 in conference
5-7 overall and 3-6 in conference

Jimbo took over a team whose previous 3 seasons were:
8-5 overall and 4-4 in conference
8-5 overall and 4-4 in conference
7-5 overall and 4-4 in conference (with bowl game still to be played)

Improve by 1 win in first season is 6-7 for TH and 9-4 for JF. Neither is OK. Both will need time to get where they need to be. Would be nice for both to be 10+ wins and start playing each other again.
Expectations should be the same. Not your or my money so not sure how that matters. I though Strong was getting everybody the last few recruiting sessions. Even Baylor recruits. The team was very talented, particularly on defense. Strong said the team was going to be ready to compete for national championship this season. O-line hurt but would have still expected more from the offense.
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TH wins less than 8 in 2018 and the deck begins to stack against him. (Regular Season Wins).


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How do you think recruiting classes and apparent talent affect where a coach should be in any given timeframe?
It should but sometimes coaches run a different system and need to get players that match their system. According to the 247sports.com the last 5 years recruiting classes ranked the following (starting with 2013 class):

UT - 17, 17, 10, 7, 25 (average of 15)
AM - 9, 5, 11, 18, 13 (average of 11)

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If Texas doesn’t win their bowl game, this will be Texas’ 4th straight losing record.

It’s really hard to believe all of this happened with the school that basically dwarfs its competition in the Big 12 in history, revenue, etc...

It reminds me of the Michigan fall from the ranks after Lloyd Carr.


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I agree. It's not acceptable. That's why Strong had such a quick exit. Program heading in the wrong direction with no sign of turning it around.

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Expectations should be the same. Not your or my money so not sure how that matters. I though Strong was getting everybody the last few recruiting sessions. Even Baylor recruits. The team was very talented, particularly on defense. Strong said the team was going to be ready to compete for national championship this season. O-line hurt but would have still expected more from the offense.
Actually I have higher expectations of the Horns. I think it will take longer for TH to turn the Horns around just because he had to stop the downslide first before he could turn it around. Notice the recruiting class rankings above. Strong wasn't getting everybody. He had a couple of good years.

JF comes in taking over a 8-5 team with good recruiting the last 5 years. His improvements should come faster.
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LMAO.

Go look at my other post. You are making yourself look dumb. Just stop.

A few years ago? But Aggy says the past doesn't matter.
Wow Bob . . Gettin a little testy there . . lmao . . All this started with Patterson . . 3 bad years with Mack and three bad years with Cholly . . You realize that there are no people in K-12 that have witnessed an NC in austin . . I know, right! ! ! !
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Tom Herman has said it's going to take time. I thought the TH hire came with "win, and win now". And now he has to go toe to toe with Jimbo recruiting in Texas.
...and everybody else in the nation
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HUGE! Number 1 JUCCO OT.
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Wow Bob . . Gettin a little testy there . . lmao . . All this started with Patterson . . 3 bad years with Mack and three bad years with Cholly . . You realize that there are no people in K-12 that have witnessed an NC in austin . . I know, right! ! ! !


And there are very few alive that have witnessed a NC in College Station.
Sorry, that was just too easy to pass up.


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And there are very few alive that have witnessed a NC in College Station.
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Point taken . . 10 yrs, $75 mill . .
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Point taken . . 10 yrs, $75 mill . .


Why is his contract amount a bragging point? I don’t get why that is so important to anyone but Fisher. Is it a “my dad is bigger than your dad” thing? From the outside looking in it looks a little silly.
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Confidence bro . . You mean th isn't gettin that . . Weren't sure how'd that work out? . . Outside the box . .
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Why is his contract amount a bragging point? I don’t get why that is so important to anyone but Fisher. Is it a “my dad is bigger than your dad” thing? From the outside looking in it looks a little silly.
Pointing out Ags are all in to win. Whatever it takes. Wait until you see his staff.
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Confidence in a checkbook? Like I said, seems pretty silly to me.


How about letting it play out.
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Hook'em Horns and hope I live long enough to watch this all shake out!
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Mack Brown inherited a Heisman Trophy winner, Herman inherited a Ray Guy winner...lol.


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****. Texas needed that guy.

Coach O can close!
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Outta curiosity what does #JRTS mean? Just Raking up Tiger ****??? Being 0-7 and all???


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****. Texas needed that guy.

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Remember that No.1 JUCO OL Mack landed at the end of his tenure? Didn't pan out. Playing in the Senior Bowl this year.


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Remember that No.1 JUCO OL Mack landed at the end of his tenure? Didn't pan out. Playing in the Senior Bowl this year.


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I'm confused....what JUCO tackle would Mack Brown have landed that would be playing in the senior bowl this year?


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Desmond Harrison, made a comeback and just finished out his CFB career at Western Georgia.


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OU is lucky to have a class act like Coach Ruff.
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It’s amazing how quickly the Ags have given up on Mond. He went from going to better than JFF hype to get gone.
Mond was not even close to being a JFF. Not many QB's talented as JFF was in his "short" prime. Shame that some folks waste their own talent so quickly.
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Mike Evans "made" JFF. Just throw it up and ME caught it.

Mond doesn't have the accuracy or a ME to bail him out/make him look good. Way over rated QB at this point.
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Mond was not even close to being a JFF. Not many QB's talented as JFF was in his "short" prime. Shame that some folks waste their own talent so quickly.
You never got to see JFF throw the ball when he first got on campus. He had 18 months in the program before you saw him play a down. There was a reason that he was running the scout team for a year.
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I’d bet Manziel completed more that 52% percent of his passes in high school.
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I do not see Heisman in Mond. JFF Had talent and used it. I get that Mond was thrown in to a rough situation. Clearly the game was too fast for him when it came to passing. Hopefully Starkel stays healthy next season. Just think if Starkel could run as fast as JFF or Mond.....we would have a winner.
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Im not huge on Mond either. He has talent but was put in a bad spot this year. Maybe he can develop this offseason some. A new top qb recruit would be at the top of my list if I was Jimbo

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