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Old 12-02-2017, 09:15 AM   #501
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Anyone hear anything about that poaching ring they busted in gray and wheeler counties?


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I saw there were 4 people arrested. I didn't recognize any of the names. Think they were all from pampa.

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Old 12-02-2017, 12:07 PM   #502
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Old 12-02-2017, 01:46 PM   #504
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So that's where my shooters have gone. That'll teach those bucks for staying nocturnal.

Seriously, though, I don't see the reason for this. It might make some sense if they were selling deer parts or feeding the family, but just driving around, shooting deer and letting them lie makes no sense to me. What a waste. Hope a lot of vehicles and anything else of value are seized.
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Old 12-02-2017, 02:10 PM   #505
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Deer moment was hit and miss all week in Motley Co. I would see 3-4 deer one sitting and 15 the next.
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Old 12-02-2017, 08:28 PM   #506
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Movement pcked up here this morning snd tonight. 3 new bucks between this mornng snd this evening and a big shooter 9 showed on camera on the 29th. My hopes got a little bump today.
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Old 12-03-2017, 09:05 PM   #507
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Went to the lease this weekend with a friend. Saturday was awesome. Bucks running doe like crazy. Rattled a couple bucks to the stand. Saw two shooters but they had no interest in us and were running 100 MPH. Then this morning saw very little action. Sure was nice to get out though. I've noticed so far in this panhandle country the bucks sure do break off their antlers quicker than what I'm used to. They must sure love to scrap. lol

Do have a question for you Panhandle veterans.

We have a place just north of Hedley TX in Donley County. 1600 acres. Pretty good cover. Lots of shinrey and pin oak looking trees. We are somewhat overpopulated with whitetail (just my opinion). Every now then we get some small mule deer bucks on camera. Also some doe every now then. They seem to run with the whitetail most of the time. And I have heard there are decent mule deer killed in the area.

So given where we are. Do you guys think it's worth trying to bring in some bigger mule deer? I mean do you think they might be there or would be more than likely be wasting time? Also how would you guys start attempting to bring them on the property more? Primary food? Plots? Alfalfa?

Any thoughts or suggestions would be awesome. As I am very uneducated on the area and mule deer in general. Figured you folks would know probably better than anyone I could find online.

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Old 12-04-2017, 06:55 AM   #508
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Went to the lease this weekend with a friend. Saturday was awesome. Bucks running doe like crazy. Rattled a couple bucks to the stand. Saw two shooters but they had no interest in us and were running 100 MPH. Then this morning saw very little action. Sure was nice to get out though. I've noticed so far in this panhandle country the bucks sure do break off their antlers quicker than what I'm used to. They must sure love to scrap. lol

Do have a question for you Panhandle veterans.

We have a place just north of Hedley TX in Donley County. 1600 acres. Pretty good cover. Lots of shinrey and pin oak looking trees. We are somewhat overpopulated with whitetail (just my opinion). Every now then we get some small mule deer bucks on camera. Also some doe every now then. They seem to run with the whitetail most of the time. And I have heard there are decent mule deer killed in the area.

So given where we are. Do you guys think it's worth trying to bring in some bigger mule deer? I mean do you think they might be there or would be more than likely be wasting time? Also how would you guys start attempting to bring them on the property more? Primary food? Plots? Alfalfa?

Any thoughts or suggestions would be awesome. As I am very uneducated on the area and mule deer in general. Figured you folks would know probably better than anyone I could find online.

Thanks in advance.


There are bigger ones in that area, they are just good at hiding. Get as much food and cover as possible on the property. Lots of whitetail numbers will keep down mule deer numbers to a degree, just cause whitetail are more aggressive and the land has a certain carrying capacity and both are competing generally for same food.
If you can put in a large alfalfa or wheat field in center of property you should hold some there and then itís just a waiting game for 2 weeks a year. Normally they show up week after season.


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Old 12-04-2017, 07:50 AM   #509
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Movement pcked up here this morning snd tonight. 3 new bucks between this mornng snd this evening and a big shooter 9 showed on camera on the 29th. My hopes got a little bump today.
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Old 12-04-2017, 08:24 AM   #510
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I have to admit, I got bored with deer hunting again this season. The older I get, the easier that happens.

Went coyote calling instead, killed 4 on 4 stands. Should have been 5.

I was glad to see them bust that poaching ring. Been a lot of that kind of stuff going on up here in the panhandle the last few years. There was also the deal from Childress/Quanah earlier this season where folks were shooting and selling deer to the processor. Last year we had a deal just east of town here where 5-6 deer were shot out in a wheat field and left to lay, a couple with heads cut off. One of those was a really nice one that escaped from the poachers and made it over onto another property before he died. Even though they killed him, at least they didn't get his rack.

We have also had lots of trouble with folks from out of state just showing up and road hunting quail. Stay in a motel room and just drive county roads all day shooting birds. One of the big landowners I call coyotes on has just got done hanging all new no trespassing signs again.

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Old 12-04-2017, 09:58 AM   #511
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Seen a couple of yotes on my place and killed one. Gotta admit the yotes look fat and happy this year. Beautiful coats.

Dang it.

So I'm done for the year and now back in Deutschland. Seen lots of deer at my little ranchito, but nothing mature AT ALL. If it weren't for the side trip to Kansas, I'd not have much to show for it but some good memories, and fabulous sunrises and sunsets...they're the most important part anyway.

I was able to lay waste to a few hogs, but not nearly enough.

Y'all be safe and best of luck to each of you. I'll be watching, as always.
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Old 12-04-2017, 11:12 AM   #512
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There are bigger ones in that area, they are just good at hiding. Get as much food and cover as possible on the property. Lots of whitetail numbers will keep down mule deer numbers to a degree, just cause whitetail are more aggressive and the land has a certain carrying capacity and both are competing generally for same food.
If you can put in a large alfalfa or wheat field in center of property you should hold some there and then itís just a waiting game for 2 weeks a year. Normally they show up week after season.


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Thanks for the feedback kind sir! Like I said. Very uneducated on Mule deer and the Panhandle in general. So every little bit of info helps.

This may be a stupid question but do you mean like feeding alfalfa bales or planting alfalfa?
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Old 12-04-2017, 11:20 AM   #513
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Seen a couple of yotes on my place and killed one. Gotta admit the yotes look fat and happy this year. Beautiful coats.

Dang it.

So I'm done for the year and now back in Deutschland. Seen lots of deer at my little ranchito, but nothing mature AT ALL. If it weren't for the side trip to Kansas, I'd not have much to show for it but some good memories, and fabulous sunrises and sunsets...they're the most important part anyway.

I was able to lay waste to a few hogs, but not nearly enough.

Y'all be safe and best of luck to each of you. I'll be watching, as always.
Sorry you didn't get a panhandle buck but congrats on the Kansas deer. I'm not seeing shooters either. Only seen 1 shooter and he refuses to come in bow range. Looking like I'll probably just kill some does this year. Can't eat horns any way!

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Old 12-04-2017, 12:13 PM   #514
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Pickles,

There's not much to do. Mule deer actually prefer less cover and more rough topography. If you don't own the place then there's not much you could do on reducing cover.

A mule deer buck's home range is over 10,000 ac.

Bringing in "bigger" mule deer won't do anything and TPWD wouldn't approve it anyway due to habitat structure and high whitetail numbers.

A large irrigated field of alfalfa and/or wheat could hold local mule deer (won't make new mule deer), but will also suck in additional whitetail. On 1600 ac, best to leave as much habitat as possible. A centered wheat field wouldn't hurt, and definitely attracts deer, as long as you didn't destroy good habitat to do it.

The best management a hunter can do is to fill all his whitetail doe tags and only shoot bucks that are 6-7 yrs old.
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Old 12-04-2017, 12:18 PM   #515
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Seen a couple of yotes on my place and killed one. Gotta admit the yotes look fat and happy this year. Beautiful coats.

Dang it.

So I'm done for the year and now back in Deutschland. Seen lots of deer at my little ranchito, but nothing mature AT ALL. If it weren't for the side trip to Kansas, I'd not have much to show for it but some good memories, and fabulous sunrises and sunsets...they're the most important part anyway.

I was able to lay waste to a few hogs, but not nearly enough.

Y'all be safe and best of luck to each of you. I'll be watching, as always.
I've only been out 2 days. Just put doe #2 in the freezer.

Congrats on Kansas buck. Appreciate you Kry.
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Old 12-04-2017, 01:07 PM   #516
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Finally had a shooter show up on camera on the 29th but not since. Did have 3 bucks show up at one feeder i have not seen before. Movement was better but not by much. Hopefully this cold front gets them moving.
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Old 12-04-2017, 03:07 PM   #517
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Thanks for the feedback kind sir! Like I said. Very uneducated on Mule deer and the Panhandle in general. So every little bit of info helps.



This may be a stupid question but do you mean like feeding alfalfa bales or planting alfalfa?


If you can do a wheat or alfalfa field thatís great. You can make an alfalfa feeder out of a 55 gallon drums and by a bale of it. I never had any luck with Mule deer and feeders. Not saying you canít I just didnít .


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Old 12-04-2017, 04:19 PM   #518
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There were deer already on wheat when I walked in. Maybe it's a good sign. I'm ready to kill something!


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Old 12-04-2017, 05:05 PM   #519
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if the wind doesnt lie down i sure dont expect to see much. a few muleys on the wheat now but thats it.
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Thanks for the feedback kind sir! Like I said. Very uneducated on Mule deer and the Panhandle in general. So every little bit of info helps.

This may be a stupid question but do you mean like feeding alfalfa bales or planting alfalfa?
They will come to protien feeders see post 496. Build large pens to keep the pigs out and they will come. I started with soy corn mix and then introduced protien steadily to it. It took a little while but they did. I have multiple photos of both WT and MD at the feeder at the same time. Hell I have pics of MD sleeping under them and using them for shade. I have not had luck getting them on Alfalfa but I cannot find a good source either. Everything I have purchased is hay with some alfalfa mixed in.
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Sorry you didn't get a panhandle buck but congrats on the Kansas deer. I'm not seeing shooters either. Only seen 1 shooter and he refuses to come in bow range. Looking like I'll probably just kill some does this year. Can't eat horns any way!

Have a safe trip and a merry Christmas!

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I've only been out 2 days. Just put doe #2 in the freezer.

Congrats on Kansas buck. Appreciate you Kry.

Thanks, gentlemen. I love these Panhandle threads and love coming home for a couple weeks each season. Luckily, I have a wife who notices that I walk a little straighter when I get out of the deer stand, so she supports me tremendously.

I'm pretty sure I'm only a few years from retirement, and I'm finding that the older I get the more of a homeboy I'm becoming. Should transition from Germany by summer of 2019 and I'm certainly ready for deer season to not be a military operation for my family and me.

I'm really looking forward to the next few years when we should get back to seeing the Panhandle-quality deer we're used to. Y'all be safe and shoot straight.
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Old 12-05-2017, 10:00 AM   #522
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I went out yesterday evening and it was the same old story. My shooter buck comes in, stays about 150 yards out, and then shows up at the blind when it's too dark to shoot. One of these days he will show up 5 minutes early....maybe.

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Old 12-06-2017, 08:09 AM   #523
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Had an opening yesterday and finally got out in the pasture.

Jethro, I got distracted also. 4 yoties for the day including this big old male.
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Old 12-06-2017, 08:32 AM   #524
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I'm headed back up this weekend. Lease manager is reporting mature bucks are back on camera
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Old 12-06-2017, 10:18 AM   #525
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Good job Jeff.

Looks like he was starting to get the mange a bit on his feet and lower jaw. I've been talking about that with a friend of mine. 6 weeks ago my daughter and I killed 4 one afternoon, 3 of the 4 were in the beginning stages of mange. But the 4 I killed this weekend were from 6-7 miles away and none of them had any mange on them. Seems like the mange can be pretty spotty and localized sometimes. It hasn't been bad this year, but looks like it is starting to show back up a fair amount.
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Good job Jeff.

Looks like he was starting to get the mange a bit on his feet and lower jaw.
May just be blood or photo anomaly, because he was full coated and gorgeous. I haven't seen any serious mange in a good while, or should I say, Chupacabras, but after 4 good rainfall years, high prey species production, followed by high predator production, then mange should be expected to make a return in the next few years.
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Old 12-07-2017, 05:14 PM   #527
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Has anyone else seen the experimental survey for antler restrictions on mule deer in Panhandle Counties (Briscoe, Childress, Cottle, Floyd, Hall, and Motley)? I personally agree with it. We have tons of young bucks and does but, few mature deer.
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:05 PM   #528
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Has anyone else seen the experimental survey for antler restrictions on mule deer in Panhandle Counties (Briscoe, Childress, Cottle, Floyd, Hall, and Motley)? I personally agree with it. We have tons of young bucks and does but, few mature deer.
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I've been covered up in young bucks in Collingsworth Co. I see 6 or 8 at every siting. No does show up at all. I guess they are hassled too much by all the young bucks. I saw one mature 9 point today, prob 130" class. I passed. Hopefully the big boys will show soon! They are hitting the corn hard!
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Old 12-11-2017, 03:05 PM   #530
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Buddy got this one Saturday morning. Scored right at 137, but had 10+ inches broken off that would have got him close to 150. He was jogging straight at us. Head down nothing in his mind but finding the last of the does.




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Buddy got this one Saturday morning. Scored right at 137, but had 10+ inches broken off that would have got him close to 150. He was jogging straight at us. Head down nothing in his mind but finding the last of the does.




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Old 12-11-2017, 08:40 PM   #532
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Anyone know of any leases coming open next year?
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Old 12-11-2017, 11:29 PM   #533
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Buddy got this one Saturday morning. Scored right at 137, but had 10+ inches broken off that would have got him close to 150. He was jogging straight at us. Head down nothing in his mind but finding the last of the does.




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Congrats! That's the problem with the late season up there...the big boys are usually busted up pretty bad.
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Old 12-12-2017, 04:32 PM   #534
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saw a big WT buck tending a doe today on hwy 70 between pampa and I40 in a playa lake bottom. it was obvious he was still in full on rut.
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Old 12-12-2017, 04:35 PM   #535
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I saw a nice buck west of 83 at 10:30 this morning grazing wheat.


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Old 12-12-2017, 07:36 PM   #536
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Go this one with an almost to low shot but let him lay overnight and hogs and yotes fed well Saturday night. Still happy to find him.

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Old 12-12-2017, 11:07 PM   #537
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Big ol head on him. Congrats Doug. I know how long that night was for you. Glad you found him.

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Old 12-13-2017, 01:57 PM   #538
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Good job mudslinger!

I've been on shift the last 7 days. Hunted this morning and saw nothing. Pulled the card this morning after my sit and everything has been coming around 5 in the evening for the last 10 days. Had a nice 8 on camera I will probably try to shoot if he keeps to pattern today. Looks like bucks are back in bachelor groups on this place.

BTW I don't know why I hunt mornings. In 30 plus years of hunting I have had very few successful morning hunts. I tend to get skunked more than not.

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Old 12-13-2017, 02:02 PM   #539
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Good job mudslinger!

I've on shift the last 7 days. Hunted this morning and saw nothing. Pulled the card thus morning after my sit and everything has benn coming around 5 in the evening for the last 10 days. Had a nice 8 on camera I will probably try to shoot if he keeps to pattern today. Looks like bucks are back in bachelor groups on this place.

BTW I don't know why I hunt mornings. In 30 plus years of hunting I have had very few successful morning hunts. I tend to get skunked more than not.

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Crazy that you say that. I have hunted a ranch in Briscoe for the last 5 years and from day one the land owner said nothing really moves in the AM. In the beginning I thought he just didnít like getting up early. I have hunted every AM I have been there and I bet activity is less than 50% in the Am vs PM. I will hunt the AM but they are not my favorite by any means.
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Crazy that you say that. I have hunted a ranch in Briscoe for the last 5 years and from day one the land owner said nothing really moves in the AM. In the beginning I thought he just didnít like getting up early. I have hunted every AM I have been there and I bet activity is less than 50% in the Am vs PM. I will hunt the AM but they are not my favorite by any means.
I just like get out any time I can even if it is unsuccessful. I think seeing morning deer depends a lot on where you are set up on their daily pattern. If your close to a bedding area then I bet you would see more deer. I haven't pulled my card in 10 days and I bet only 3 of the 10 days showed deer at daylight. They come starting around 3 in the afternoon and there are pictures through about 5 in the morning then it drys up for the day.
This morning I got to my blind 640 and there were deer around 30 minutes before I got there.

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Old 12-13-2017, 02:43 PM   #541
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May just be blood or photo anomaly, because he was full coated and gorgeous. I haven't seen any serious mange in a good while, or should I say, Chupacabras, but after 4 good rainfall years, high prey species production, followed by high predator production, then mange should be expected to make a return in the next few years.
I must have missed this when you originally posted it.

I guess it is just the picture. For sure that is a big fat healthy coyote.

I have not seen much serious mange the last few years, maybe just one or two chupacabras. But I do seem to be seeing an upswing in minor cases of mange. It varies by what part of the county I am in though.

Calling seems quite a bit better to me this year than last year, for sure I am killing more. But I lost half of last year due to shoulder surgery too, so there is that.
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:58 PM   #542
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I did not shoot anything but had a very enjoyable sit this evening. Started with an average 8 point that came in and hung out until after dark. Then a spike came in. Then a busted up 7 came in, and he and the 8 did a little bit of lite sparring. The 3 of them pretty well got along until 3 doe and 2 trailing bucks came in. When the doe showed up, chaos ensued. Deer running every direction and a couple of the bucks decided to throw down. Then a 3rd joined in. It was getting dark so it was difficult to see who was fighting who but there were 3 bucks involved, and they got after each other pretty good. It was a running battle that covered at least 100 yards of ground and lasted at least 5 minutes. First serious buck fight I've witnessed and what a thrill it was!

On a side note, on our place bucks are still searching (some) and there are still a few sets of doe/fawns paired up. Watched a small, lone fawn yesterday evening that I believe had just been kicked off by its momma.
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Old 12-14-2017, 11:05 AM   #543
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From my hunt last night. Didn't turn out as I had hoped but still an enjoyable sit. Had 6 bucks come in and shot a nice 8 but hit him low. Hopefully he's not hurt too bad and comes back. The future looks bright with all of these young bucks.


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Old 12-14-2017, 11:15 AM   #544
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Sorry about the low hit.
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Old 12-14-2017, 12:35 PM   #545
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Sorry about the low hit.
Thanks! It happens.

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Old 12-14-2017, 02:15 PM   #546
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Yes it does and I got lucky and mine was a little higher and we found him, later, but we found him.
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Old 12-14-2017, 11:50 PM   #547
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Happens to us all. Sometimes you make a bad shot and they drop in sight. Sometimes you make a great shot and they just walk it off. Deer are amazing creatures.
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Old 12-15-2017, 07:26 AM   #548
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Happens to us all. Sometimes you make a bad shot and they drop in sight. Sometimes you make a great shot and they just walk it off. Deer are amazing creatures.
That is an understatement! the desire and will to live in a whitetail and most other animals is unreal!
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Old 12-18-2017, 09:19 PM   #549
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Dropped the hammer (ie. gun kill) on a 10 point this last Saturday evening. Grossed at a little over 144. Prior to a little breakage, he grossed between 146 and 147. My best so far and blessed to have taken him though I wish I could have gotten it done with the bow. Actually tried to draw on him a few days prior but my arrow fell off by string and clanged onto my riser scaring him away. After several hunts, I got kind of tired of waiting, not to mention that it's been almost 4 years since I've chosen to shoot anything.
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Old 12-18-2017, 09:27 PM   #550
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Dropped the hammer (ie. gun kill) on a 10 point this last Saturday evening. Grossed at a little over 144. Prior to a little breakage, he grossed between 146 and 147. My best so far and blessed to have taken him though I wish I could have gotten it done with the bow. Actually tried to draw on him a few days prior but my arrow fell off by string and clanged onto my riser scaring him away. After several hunts, I got kind of tired of waiting, not to mention that it's been almost 4 years since I've chosen to shoot anything.
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