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Old 12-05-2017, 03:44 PM   #1
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Hello experts or maybe not?
I just bought a Remington 700 7MM Remington Express/ 280 Remington.
Should I buy 7MM Rem. or 280 Rem. ammunition?
Are they the same or this is a mute point?
Or is it kinda sorta like the 223 out of a 556x45 dilemma? You can shoot 223 outa a 556x45 or is it vise-versa?
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Default 7MM Remington or 280 Remington ammo?

7mm rem express is same as the .280 rem. You will need to buy .280 rem ammunition.

The 7mm express Remington is just another name for the .280 rem.

On a side note do you know the age of the rifle? I am betting it is up there as I dont think they have stamped 7mm express rem on them in a long time.

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yeah...sign me up too. If that gun is all original it would be cool to see it / date it
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Texaspacker see the answer to the post you piggybacked on last night. It is detailed and correct.

.280 Remington is the original and current name for the 7mm Remington Express. They are identical; they are the same thing. 7mm Remington by itself means nothing.

.223 and 5.56x45 are not the same thing. The dimensions are slightly different, and there is no standardized pressure for the 5.56x45. You can shoot .223 ammo in 5.56x45 chambers; you cannot shoot 5.56x45 ammo in .223 chambers. Actually, it will chamber, but you may have a pressure problem, or you may not.

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Actually, it is a moot point concerning the ammo. You won't find ammo labeled 7mm Rem Express unless it under a shelf or in a closet in somebody's garage. The proper ammo will be .280 Rem., not to be confused with any of the 7mm magnums.
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yeah...sign me up too. If that gun is all original it would be cool to see it / date it
I had one that was 95%+. Called Remington and talked with a lady. They were only stamped 7mm Express for 2 years.

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7mm rem express is same as the .280 rem. You will need to buy .280 rem ammunition.

The 7mm express Remington is just another name for the .280 rem.

On a side note do you know the age of the rifle? I am betting it is up there as I dont think they have stamped 7mm express rem on them in a long time.

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Serial # is B868653 then stamped in/on the barrel 7MM EXP. REM and about 3/4 inch to the right it's stamped 280 REM. The other 700s I've seen on Buds Gun Shop & such have 24-26 inch barrels. This 700 has a 21" barrel plus it was tapped for front & rear iron sights. If the barrel was shorten the holes for the front sight are about 1" from the end of the barrel. Plus if someone did cut the barrel down they did a fantastic job.
If you have a 700 in 7MM/280 Rem. do you have a fav-O-rite "factory" ammunition that you would recommend to start off with or should I invest in reloading/ loading my own from the get go?

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Texaspacker see the answer to the post you piggybacked on last night. It is detailed and correct.

.280 Remington is the original and current name for the 7mm Remington Express. They are identical; they are the same thing. 7mm Remington by itself means nothing.

.223 and 5.56x45 are not the same thing. The dimensions are slightly different, and there is no standardized pressure for the 5.56x45. You can shoot .223 ammo in 5.56x45 chambers; you cannot shoot 5.56x45 ammo in .223 chambers. Actually, it will chamber, but you may have a pressure problem, or you may not.

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Yes sir I knew that I was just screwing around as far as the 223 VS 556 but the 7MM/280 REM dilly I was serious as a heart attack?

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Old 12-05-2017, 04:16 PM   #9
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Serial # is B868653 then stamped in/on the barrel 7MM EXP. REM and about 3/4 inch to the right it's stamped 280 REM. The other 700s I've seen on Buds Gun Shop & such have 24-26 inch barrels. This 700 has a 21" barrel plus it was tapped for front & rear iron sights.
If you have a 700 in 7MM/280 Rem. do you have a fav-O-rite "factory" ammunition that you would recommend to start off with or should I invest in reloading/ loading my own from the get go?
I have been shooting a Remington .280 since 1999. After some trials with stock ammo, the best shooting bullet is the Remington 140 grain. If you can load your own, I can only imagine how tight you could get it. I also have a TC Encore in .280. This gun likes the Federal 150 grain bullets the best. I would start with the Remington's first if you are planning to shoot ammo off the shelf. Good luck, Great gun!
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Texaspacker see the answer to the post you piggybacked on last night. It is detailed and correct.

.280 Remington is the original and current name for the 7mm Remington Express. They are identical; they are the same thing. 7mm Remington by itself means nothing.

.223 and 5.56x45 are not the same thing. The dimensions are slightly different, and there is no standardized pressure for the 5.56x45. You can shoot .223 ammo in 5.56x45 chambers; you cannot shoot 5.56x45 ammo in .223 chambers. Actually, it will chamber, but you may have a pressure problem, or you may not.

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I buy my ammunition from sportsmanguide and the sell 7MM & 280 Remington ammo. I was just asking if one might be "gooder" than the other?
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Thank you Blood! I don't know if you may have seen my post but sportsmansguide sells 7MM & 280 Remington ammunition. So I'm sayin to myself "I don't get it, man!?"
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Serial # is B868653 then stamped in/on the barrel 7MM EXP. REM and about 3/4 inch to the right it's stamped 280 REM.
my Rem 700 Historical book with SN's doesn't even list a "B868652" You sure it's not an A68153*** serial number. Pretty sure they were made in 79/80 for < 2 yrs. Around this same timeframe, Remington released a 7mm-06 stamped barrel (pretty rare) and quickly changed the stamping to 280 Remington.
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I'll post up a picture for my much older brother here. The gun came with a leupold vx II 3x9x40 on it. I think he got a really good deal on this set up. I think he needs to gift it to his much younger and handsome brother. If he sends me more pictures I will post em up.
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7mm rem express is same as the .280 rem. You will need to buy .280 rem ammunition.

The 7mm express Remington is just another name for the .280 rem.

On a side note do you know the age of the rifle? I am betting it is up there as I dont think they have stamped 7mm express rem on them in a long time.

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Someone else said they stamped it for two years this way. I think they said 1991?
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I'll post up a picture for my much older brother here. The gun came with a leupold vx II 3x9x40 on it. I think he got a really good deal on this set up. I think he needs to gift it to his much younger and handsome brother. If he sends me more pictures I will post em up.
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I have been wanting a .280 for years. I have never heard of a 7mm Rem Express. Learned something new I guess.
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B6868*** was made in May 1987

according to my book, barrels were marked 7MM EXP REM 280 REM , 22" barrels and quite a few rifles were done in camo
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If I remember correctly the early 80s is the time frame and post above could be correct for the short manufacture if the 7mm Express of 79-80 I was thinking 81-82 as a college roommate wanted one in 82.

The 7mm-06 differs from the 280, Remington discovered that the 7mm-06 would chamber in some 270 rifles and fire so with the 280 the shoulder is moved a little forward to keep this from happening. Winchester paid no attention to this finding when they were bringing out the 7mmWSM until almost market time when they went back and did the same with the 7mmWSM to make it a little longer to avoid it being shot in a 270. Both instances would result in very high pressures.

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Actually, it is a moot point concerning the ammo. You won't find ammo labeled 7mm Rem Express unless it under a shelf or in a closet in somebody's garage.
Actually mine is in the 7mm section of my ammo shelf.
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I have been wanting a .280 for years. I have never heard of a 7mm Rem Express. Learned something new I guess.
Remington's stupid poor marketing ruined it, just like Big Green did with the 244 Remington and 5mm Magnum
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I buy my ammunition from sportsmanguide and the sell 7MM & 280 Remington ammo. I was just asking if one might be "gooder" than the other?


Those are going to be mag cartridges that will not fit. Buy .280 ammo that is the only commercially available ammo that will work out of that gun


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Those are going to be mag cartridges that will not fit. Buy .280 ammo that is the only commercially available ammo that will work out of that gun


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If the OP cannot get this clear in his head, he's gonna be sorely disappointed
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I have two boxes of higher end federals for the .280 that I'll send you if you want em.

And listen to what's been said. The Remington .280 IS a 7mm bullet but a 7 mm MAG, will not work. The 7mm express thing was an old marketing folley, all it basically boils down to is that you're particular gun is an older model... it IS a .280 Remington.
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If the OP cannot get this clear in his head, he's gonna be sorely disappointed
He knows the difference for sure

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I have two boxes of higher end federals for the .280 that I'll send you if you want em.

And listen to what's been said. The Remington .280 IS a 7mm bullet but a 7 mm MAG, will not work. The 7mm express thing was an old marketing folley, all it basically boils down to is that you're particular gun is an older model... it IS a .280 Remington.
If you are looking to send someone those .280's I'll take them. My 7mm Express will love them!
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yeah...sign me up too. If that gun is all original it would be cool to see it / date it
If you are ever in Spring, come by and I'll show you a Rem. 700 with the "7MM Express" stamped on it.
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Here's the ammo made specifically for that model. I don't have the gun but can use it in my 280.




If I remember correctly the idea behind this was to load the .280 to it's fullest potential. Remington had made some autoloaders and pump .280's that couldn't hand the pressure that a bolt gun could. So they named the new guns 7mm Express Remington. These may be loader a little hotter than regular .280. That's why the .280AI is a kick *** cartridge while the factory .280 is ho hum.
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Here's the ammo made specifically for that model. I don't have the gun but can use it in my 280.




If I remember correctly the idea behind this was to load the .280 to it's fullest potential. Remington had made some autoloaders and pump .280's that couldn't hand the pressure that a bolt gun could. So they named the new guns 7mm Express Remington. These may be loader a little hotter than regular .280. That's why the .280AI is a kick *** cartridge while the factory .280 is ho hum.
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I have read that and never understood it. Those same rifles are chambered in the 30-06 and 270 Winchester which have higher pressure levels than the original 280 specifications were. Logic they used does not compute in my head. Never saw it explained either.
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[quote=SwampBuck;12988208]I have two boxes of higher end federals for the .280 that I'll send you if you want em.

And listen to what's been said. The Remington .280 IS a 7mm bullet but a 7 mm MAG, will not work. The 7mm express thing was an old marketing folley, all it basically boils down to is that you're particular gun is an older model... it IS a .280 Remington.[/QUO
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I have two boxes of higher end federals for the .280 that I'll send you if you want em.

And listen to what's been said. The Remington .280 IS a 7mm bullet but a 7 mm MAG, will not work. The 7mm express thing was an old marketing folley, all it basically boils down to is that you're particular gun is an older model... it IS a .280 Remington.
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I have read that and never understood it. Those same rifles are chambered in the 30-06 and 270 Winchester which have higher pressure levels than the original 280 specifications were. Logic they used does not compute in my head. Never saw it explained either.
Yes sir I think I agree? Uuuuuh as I understand it??? Which don't mean diddly squat. 7MM rem.,280Rem,270Winchester,6.5 Benedus? some kind of Masseur and a few other cartridges that I forgot now. Seem to all be a 30-06? cartridge that have been modified in some meniscal way
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I have read that and never understood it. Those same rifles are chambered in the 30-06 and 270 Winchester which have higher pressure levels than the original 280 specifications were. Logic they used does not compute in my head. Never saw it explained either.
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I bought a 7mm Express when they 1st came out, great shooting gun. Let my son borrow and it wound up stolen.
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