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Old 02-13-2018, 09:17 AM   #1
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What does everyone think? It's a baby step in the right direction. It should be a lot harsher IMO

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tr...tep-2018-02-12

Either way this will get interesting.
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:20 AM   #2
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The masses are gonna revolt when they can't buy junk food with that SNAP card.
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:24 AM   #3
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Sounds interesting but you'd certainly have to see some financials to know if it's even close to break even or saving money and providing for those in real need.
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:26 AM   #4
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Sounds like a great idea. I believe it would be a good guess that 80% or more of the current cards are spent on pure junk " food" and lord knows that libs are always arguing that the poor dont live in areas where nutritious foods are readily available. But, in the end the libs will scream that this plan is raciest because you are going to limit what and where the people can buy their food. More than likely the traditional getto foods like frozen pizza and snowballs will not be allowed to be purchased. And, there will be spoiled vegies all over the streets. We all know that the poor dont want their vegies
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:30 AM   #6
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Never gonna happen. Doesn't hurt to dream though.
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:36 AM   #7
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I can remember as a kid every grocery store having that one Generic Food Isle. All white packaging and black labels. That was always referred to as the welfare isle. Need to go back to those days
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:36 AM   #8
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There needs to be reform. This is a step. I like that it provides American produced food. They also need to limit it to citizens only.

I heard a commercial the other day about ATT providing low cost broadband to people on the SNAP. I am sure we are paying for that too.
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American farmers are praying for this also.
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:42 AM   #10
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Obviously welfare reform needs to happen, hopefully this is the first step in the process. I don't understand how with unemployment at an all time low this country still spend so much on welfare. Let's start by seeking out fraudulent abusers of the system and banning them from ever receiving a single penny from any and all government assistance. I know it's a dream but it is what needs to happen.
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:54 AM   #11
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I remember back in the day folks would get the powdered milk, blocks of cheese and other items the government would hand out. We ate a lot of it back then and was glad to get it. I see no problem with going back to that system.
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Old 02-13-2018, 10:00 AM   #12
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Great idea to reduce costs, but it sounds like it would require significant government administration and huge infrastructure.

My concern is government inefficiency making the program more expensive than planned. I do not believe the government can do anything more efficiently than the private sector. Look at the postal service, healthcare, etc. Sounds great on paper though. Hopefully they can figure it out.
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Old 02-13-2018, 10:03 AM   #13
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I remember back in the day folks would get the powdered milk, blocks of cheese and other items the government would hand out. We ate a lot of it back then and was glad to get it. I see no problem with going back to that system.
You just aged yourself.
My BIL went through this until he moved out at 18. Told me he found out his mother was the worst cook on the planet. Well he lived and prospered.....
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Old 02-13-2018, 10:04 AM   #14
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I just love when people load up on junk food and pre made sammiches at a convenience store, pay with a welfare card while talking on a smart phone, with their two arms covered ink on full display. Then pull out a twenty and buy 2 packs of smokes.
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I saw a lady get ****** that her EBT funds would not buy dog food. So she sent her boy to go get a couple roasts to feed him
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when I was young my parents on a grocery store. Lady tried to buy cat food. Told her you cant buy pet food with food stamps. She went back and got tuna, said her cats like that better any way
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Old 02-13-2018, 10:24 AM   #17
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The USDA published nutrition guidelines for adults and children. Participants and their dependants should receive a box once a week with enough food to meet these requirements for the week along with a book of recipes. No debit card, no check. If you want discretionary income to buy your choice of food then get a job.

Forget having the .gov administer it. Put the guidelines in place and put it out to bid, I bet Amazon could deliver better food than is being purchased by the individuals for half of what we currently spend on SNAP.
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Old 02-13-2018, 10:31 AM   #18
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The USDA published nutrition guidelines for adults and children. Participants and their dependants should receive a box once a week with enough food to meet these requirements for the week along with a book of recipes. No debit card, no check. If you want discretionary income to buy your choice of food then get a job.

Forget having the .gov administer it. Put the guidelines in place and put it out to bid, I bet Amazon could deliver better food than is being purchased by the individuals for half of what we currently spend on SNAP.
100% agree on this
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Old 02-13-2018, 10:32 AM   #19
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I will preface with I know there are some families that need help with food purchases, but when I was a kid, being on food stamps was looked down upon. Now it seems to be normal and brag about how much some can get for "free" from the government. As a teenager I worked in a grocery store. People had separate cards for eggs, milk, and cheese. They also had paper vouchers for remaining food that was covered and had to pay cash for the remaining.
Welfare programs were meant to be a helping hand to get by until you could find another job, not permanent income.
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Old 02-13-2018, 10:39 AM   #20
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The USDA published nutrition guidelines for adults and children. Participants and their dependants should receive a box once a week with enough food to meet these requirements for the week along with a book of recipes. No debit card, no check. If you want discretionary income to buy your choice of food then get a job.

Forget having the .gov administer it. Put the guidelines in place and put it out to bid, I bet Amazon could deliver better food than is being purchased by the individuals for half of what we currently spend on SNAP.
This is how it should be.
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Old 02-13-2018, 10:40 AM   #21
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The USDA published nutrition guidelines for adults and children. Participants and their dependants should receive a box once a week with enough food to meet these requirements for the week along with a book of recipes. No debit card, no check. If you want discretionary income to buy your choice of food then get a job.

Forget having the .gov administer it. Put the guidelines in place and put it out to bid, I bet Amazon could deliver better food than is being purchased by the individuals for half of what we currently spend on SNAP.
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The majority of people have no issue with helping others in need. Bottom line, people on welfare shouldn't eat better than people that aren't.

I've got no problem with people in need being about to obtain basic essentials for little to no cost; i.e. rice, beans, flour, bread, milk, eggs, veggies, etc. You can live off those items; but it wouldn't motivate you to stay that way. People shouldn't be able to use a Loanstar card for steaks, processed foods, junk food, chips, etc.

The system is all messed up and the above mail type delivery would solve many issues.
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Old 02-13-2018, 10:41 AM   #22
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Ex president's people and gov relying folks will riot in the streets if it ever goes back to how it should be
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Old 02-13-2018, 10:42 AM   #23
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I will preface with I know there are some families that need help with food purchases, but when I was a kid, being on food stamps was looked down upon. Now it seems to be normal and brag about how much some can get for "free" from the government. As a teenager I worked in a grocery store. People had separate cards for eggs, milk, and cheese. They also had paper vouchers for remaining food that was covered and had to pay cash for the remaining.
Welfare programs were meant to be a helping hand to get by until you could find another job, not permanent income.
i grew up working in a grocery store and the reason the "Lonestar card" was brought about was because families would send in 3 or 4 (or 5 or 6) kids with a $1 paper food stamp and the kid would buy 1 piece of candy, getting $0.60-75 back, then momma would come in and buy a pack of Dorals with $3 in change, or daddy and his Milwaukee's Best 40oz.
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Old 02-13-2018, 10:45 AM   #24
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Obviously welfare reform needs to happen, hopefully this is the first step in the process. I don't understand how with unemployment at an all time low this country still spend so much on welfare. Let's start by seeking out fraudulent abusers of the system and banning them from ever receiving a single penny from any and all government assistance. I know it's a dream but it is what needs to happen.
The way I understand it, the issue with unemployment figures is that unemployment only take some into consideration those without a job that are actively seeking employment. That number may decrease, but the amount of welfare recipients does not necessarily directly correlate to unemployment figures.
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Old 02-13-2018, 10:46 AM   #25
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Love Trump and any new ideas. We need change and to look at every program in a new way!
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Ex president's people and gov relying folks will riot in the streets if it ever goes back to how it should be
Let em riot, when they wear themselves out and go home there will be a box of food on their porch
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Old 02-13-2018, 11:02 AM   #27
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Ex president's people and gov relying folks will riot in the streets if it ever goes back to how it should be
Are you saying only black people use snap, lonestar, etc?

I see plenty of every race using it.
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Sounds good... also skeptical.
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Old 02-13-2018, 11:51 AM   #29
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Right now is the perfect time to start gutting the program. We are slap in the middle of a labor crisis, any able-bodied soul without a job right now should have any benefits cut 100% tomorrow. I could hire three people today but I can't get anyone to show up and fill out an application for less than $14 an hour.

It makes my blood boil to stand in line at Walmart behind some disgusting pig that weighs 350, dragging four fat kids around, pushing a buggy full of Dr Pepper and Doritos, and pay for it all on that EBT card or whatever it is.

Mandatory birth control would be a great place to startÖ


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Old 02-13-2018, 11:52 AM   #30
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Are you saying only black people use snap, lonestar, etc?

I see plenty of every race using it.
He may be referring to those who voted for Obama, then again it may been a slight to blacks. I see plenty of all races using it too.

I donít care if people use it, itís the abuse and dependency that gets me.

The other side of this argument is if the private sector non profits were taking care of their communities and meeting needs there would be no cause for the govít to be in the welfare business
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Old 02-13-2018, 11:52 AM   #31
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Are you saying only black people use snap, lonestar, etc?



I see plenty of every race using it.


It's a full blown white trash epidemic in Wise County, and it makes me sick.


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Old 02-13-2018, 11:55 AM   #32
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When people on any type of government assistance, be it welfare food stamps or whatever ,can milk the system for over $40,000 per year, then it will never change as unfortunately they are the majority in this country along with all the illegals that are doing the same and probably making more than the $40,000 per year. This is the welfare voting block and those are the liberal voter that will keep the government assistance and welfare programs going and getting larger in this country. Just look at all the numbers added to thee roles in the last 8 years. Their voting block!

It does not matter the color of the skin, they all abuse it!
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Loved me government cheese and the 5lb pail of peanut butter we got as a kid growing up.

I disliked Peanut butter for many many years.
Now I like Extra Crunchy!!

Wife doesn't always like watching me eat it tho.
I'll slather about 1.5" of peanut butter on the bread. Than take me a big ole bite. Sometimes it would get stuck to the roof of my mouth and I'd have to use my finger to free it.
I remembered the butter truck and that helps out a lot.
Course to don't need much tho.
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Old 02-13-2018, 12:09 PM   #35
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Y'all are assuming a lot that the money automatically loaded on those cards will go to buying food for kids...Many times the cards are given to drug dealers while Mommy and Daddy stack up shoulder to shoulder in Motel rooms to smoke the money away the first 3 days of the month. Here's another bubble buster reality. Many "stores" will take the card, swipe it for the maximum amount, let's say $400.00, the store gets the 400.00 and they give Mommy or Daddy $200.00 cash to spend it on whatever feel good self medicating product they choose...many of y'all would shut the whole system down if you knew what the reality is.
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Y'all are assuming a lot that the money automatically loaded on those cards will go to buying food for kids...Many times the cards are given to drug dealers while Mommy and Daddy stack up shoulder to shoulder in Motel rooms to smoke the money away the first 3 days of the month. Here's another bubble buster reality. Many "stores" will take the card, swipe it for the maximum amount, let's say $400.00, the store gets the 400.00 and they give Mommy or Daddy $200.00 cash to spend it on whatever feel good self medicating product they choose...many of y'all would shut the whole system down if you knew what the reality is.
This. The primary fraud, waste and abuse of EBT.
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It's a full blown white trash epidemic in Wise County, and it makes me sick.


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Reppin Hunt county over here. Same thing.
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i grew up working in a grocery store and the reason the "Lonestar card" was brought about was because families would send in 3 or 4 (or 5 or 6) kids with a $1 paper food stamp and the kid would buy 1 piece of candy, getting $0.60-75 back, then momma would come in and buy a pack of Dorals with $3 in change, or daddy and his Milwaukee's Best 40oz.
True, I worked in a grocery store as well and witnessed some if the same purchases. That was 44 years ago, just think how easy it is today with the snap card. Iím all for helping people in need but we need to get a handle on the abuse in the program.
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Sounds like a deal for Walmart or HEB to deliver boxes to 40 million. Something needs to be done though.
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I have seen people that really need and deserve it get turned away. I can remember as a kid growing up in La seeing small family owned stores giving people 50 cents cash on the food stamp dollar so the person could buy cigarettes and liquor with the cash.

I have also seen food truck owners load up baskets of groceries, pay with lonestar, then place groceries in food trucks. Sad
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Rednecks love EBT. This could be a major blow to their culture.
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Are you saying only black people use snap, lonestar, etc?

I see plenty of every race using it.
Are you saying only black people are Ex President people and government relying folks

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Old 02-13-2018, 12:50 PM   #44
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Y'all are assuming a lot that the money automatically loaded on those cards will go to buying food for kids...Many times the cards are given to drug dealers while Mommy and Daddy stack up shoulder to shoulder in Motel rooms to smoke the money away the first 3 days of the month. Here's another bubble buster reality. Many "stores" will take the card, swipe it for the maximum amount, let's say $400.00, the store gets the 400.00 and they give Mommy or Daddy $200.00 cash to spend it on whatever feel good self medicating product they choose...many of y'all would shut the whole system down if you knew what the reality is.
I used to know a guy that paid his neighbor cash for their Lonestar card at half value. He never would sell it to me for 10% more than what he paid for it
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I remember back in the day folks would get the powdered milk, blocks of cheese and other items the government would hand out. We ate a lot of it back then and was glad to get it. I see no problem with going back to that system.
Government cheese was the bomb!!! We would leave it out on the counter with a knife and eat on it all day. That powdered milk could be mixed with coco powder, powdered sugar and hot water to make some mean hot chocolate too.
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True, I worked in a grocery store as well and witnessed some if the same purchases. That was 44 years ago, just think how easy it is today with the snap card. Iím all for helping people in need but we need to get a handle on the abuse in the program.
The owner of the store I worked at in high school always told me absolutely no candy, soft drinks or junk to be sold to the lonestar custmers. Big ole fat Betty would role in with her 5 kids and they would bring handfuls of candy up to the register and then throw a huge fit cause I would tell them I can't sell you that. I finally got to where I would just do it and didn't care if they ran out of money.
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Right now is the perfect time to start gutting the program. We are slap in the middle of a labor crisis, any able-bodied soul without a job right now should have any benefits cut 100% tomorrow. I could hire three people today but I can't get anyone to show up and fill out an application for less than $14 an hour.

It makes my blood boil to stand in line at Walmart behind some disgusting pig that weighs 350, dragging four fat kids around, pushing a buggy full of Dr Pepper and Doritos, and pay for it all on that EBT card or whatever it is.

Mandatory birth control would be a great place to startÖ


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Old 02-13-2018, 01:07 PM   #48
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Do you think the food retailers and manufacturers are going to let this go thru? No Way. Also lot;s of small town Grocery stores bottom line depend on customers who use the SNAP card. Should the SNAP card be harder to get and more restrictive, absolutely. But To replace it with such a pie in the sky idea is absurd.
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Do you think the food retailers and manufacturers are going to let this go thru? No Way. Also lot;s of small town Grocery stores bottom line depend on customers who use the SNAP card. Should the SNAP card be harder to get and more restrictive, absolutely. But To replace it with such a pie in the sky idea is absurd.
Have you been paying attention for the past year, our President doesent just dabble in the absurd, he has mastered it! And at least up til this point he seems to be getting more of his absurdity DONE than not.
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Old 02-13-2018, 01:23 PM   #50
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Y'all are assuming a lot that the money automatically loaded on those cards will go to buying food for kids...Many times the cards are given to drug dealers while Mommy and Daddy stack up shoulder to shoulder in Motel rooms to smoke the money away the first 3 days of the month. Here's another bubble buster reality. Many "stores" will take the card, swipe it for the maximum amount, let's say $400.00, the store gets the 400.00 and they give Mommy or Daddy $200.00 cash to spend it on whatever feel good self medicating product they choose...many of y'all would shut the whole system down if you knew what the reality is.
Bingo. Happens all the time.
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