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Old 09-12-2018, 01:10 PM   #51
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What part are y'all not thinking is healthy???

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Super high in fat.

Don't buy into all the carb fad diet BS.

Healthy would be grilled chicken or fish and no bacon on the asparagus.
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Yep we changed what and how we ate as a society and we became fat , sick and unhealthy as a society.
So they Drs got that one wrong, some on purpose.
I've lost 26lbs and I haven't exercised a day yet.
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Nice Job. I'm down almost the same. I would like to add some variety to the table. Steaks and Taco Salad are good but not all the time.
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Kongrats to you. It is working for you and you are happy.......that's all that matters.

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To many people losing weight and their blood work shows better results than with meds .
I feel better. My feet and back do not hurt. I was having to take heartburn meds have not taken a pill since I started keto.
I don't snore at night now , more energy. I use to get the shakes when my blood sugar dropped, now I can go 18-24 hrs with out eating with no problem.
It may not work for everyone but it works for me . The only draw back is my clothes don't fit any more!!!like
Fat is not always a bad thing.

And my #2 finally looks like a #2 again.
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Super high in fat.

Don't buy into all the carb fad diet BS.

Healthy would be grilled chicken or fish and no bacon on the asparagus.
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Yep we changed what and how we ate as a society and we became fat , sick and unhealthy as a society.
So they Drs got that one wrong, some on purpose.
I've lost 26lbs and I haven't exercised a day yet.
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I did Keto for a while as well, and it does burn fat however, our bodies were also made to exercise and move every day.
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healthy? LMAO. Someone is lying to you

Not sure even when high animal fat foods such as bacon and a fat steak are healthy
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I spend 10-12 hrs a day on my feet climbing stairs scaffolds and pulling wrenches and leads .
If someone has a deck job then they should and would need to get to movin.
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I did Keto for a while as well, and it does burn fat however, our bodies were also made to exercise and move every day.
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healthy? LMAO. Someone is lying to you
Or we've all been lied to for a.long time now.

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To many people losing weight and their blood work shows better results than with meds .
I feel better. My feet and back do not hurt. I was having to take heartburn meds have not taken a pill since I started keto.
I don't snore at night now , more energy. I use to get the shakes when my blood sugar dropped, now I can go 18-24 hrs with out eating with no problem.
It may not work for everyone but it works for me . The only draw back is my clothes don't fit any more!!!like
Fat is not always a bad thing.

And my #2 finally looks like a #2 again.


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Low fat works for me. You can have low fat tacos and bbq. LOL.

Beer and liquor are fat free.
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Low fat works for me. You can have low fat tacos and bbq. LOL.

Beer and liquor are fat free.
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It took me 49 years to try the asparagus. I don't think I have enough life for the okra.

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Stewed Okra is great. Cook up some bacon and onions, then add stewed diced tomatoes and okra. Let it simmer for 20 minutes and add whatever seasoning you want.
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Jeez Louise, guy posts a pic of his meal and people are telling him how he is doing it all wrong. There are many ways to cut lbs and/or maintain weight. One size dont fit all. Ive done the low fat thing, low carb thing, eating six small meals a day thing, and the fasting thing. They all work. The key is getting all of the processed crap out of your diet, eat real food and stay active. That meal looked delicious and is indeed healthy.
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I don't really do the macros, I just keep the carbs to a minimum and no sugar.
No breakfast, small lunch , usually leftover dinner, and a good dinner.
It's worked for me so far. Down from 197 to 171.
I just can't get into weighing my food and counting cals.and macros.


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That is absolutely one of the worst things you can do, if you want to be healthy. I know we have all heard it, but breakfast is truly the most important meal of the day. If you were to add breakfast to your diet and tone down on the dinner portion, you would see much greater and HEALTHIER weight loss than you do by skipping breakfast and eating a lot of calories for dinner. If you truly want to become healthy, rather than just losing weight, breakfast cannot be skipped. People can lose a whole lot of weight and still be unhealthy. You are doing it backwards by not eating breakfast, small lunch, and good dinner. If you were to flip it, you would see much better results. "Eat like a king at breakfast, a queen at lunch, and a peasant at dinner." Also, you should have a healthy snack (fruit, protein shake if you are working out, yogurt, veggies, turkey, protein, etc) between each meal. Eating more times per day, yet in smaller portions, gives your stomach the feeling of being full, thus reducing the amount of total calories that you intake on any given day. Eating 6-7 smaller portions per day actually increases your metabolism as well, as your body is continually forced to break down the food that you have eaten. So, while you are eating more times per day, you are eating smaller portions and eating a total of less food per day than you would if you were eating 3 "healthy" meals per day. But man, I cannot believe that you skip breakfast. Not only for your physical health, but for your mental health as well. Even if you eat something that is not the best for your body or has some sugar or carbs in it, it is better than eating nothing at all. I would bet that the picture of your "healthy" dinner had at least 1200-1400 calories in it. That is not good to eat that much and head to bed. Also, what time did you eat that. Personally, I would not eat after 7:30 pm or 8 pm at the latest. I am a football coach and that is hard for me to do with my schedule, but I try to eat as early as possible.

You probably were not asking for opinions or advice and if my post offended you, I apologize. I thought that you might want to know that what you think is healthy and your plan is actually not the best way to go about losing HEALTHY weight.

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Jeez Louise, guy posts a pic of his meal and people are telling him how he is doing it all wrong. There are many ways to cut lbs and/or maintain weight. One size dont fit all. Ive done the low fat thing, low carb thing, eating six small meals a day thing, and the fasting thing. They all work. The key is getting all of the processed crap out of your diet, eat real food and stay active. That meal looked delicious and is indeed healthy.
No, that is not what he posted. He posted "Healthy eating shouldn't be this delicious"! People were just mentioning to him that what he thinks is healthy is not really that healthy at all.
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I recently heard ketosis may be the cause of spontaneous human combustion. Yes.....I'm serious.....
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That is absolutely one of the worst things you can do, if you want to be healthy. I know we have all heard it, but breakfast is truly the most important meal of the day. If you were to add breakfast to your diet and tone down on the dinner portion, you would see much greater and HEALTHIER weight loss than you do by skipping breakfast and eating a lot of calories for dinner. If you truly want to become healthy, rather than just losing weight, breakfast cannot be skipped. People can lose a whole lot of weight and still be unhealthy. "Eat like a king at breakfast, a queen at lunch, and a peasant at dinner." Also, you should have a healthy snack (fruit, protein shake if you are working out, yogurt, veggies, turkey, protein, etc) between each meal. Eating more times per day, yet in smaller portions, gives your stomach the feeling of being full, thus reducing the amount of total calories that you intake on any given day. Eating 6-7 smaller portions per day actually increases your metabolism as well, as your body is continually forced to break down the food that you have eaten. So, while you are eating more times per day, you are eating smaller portions and eating a total of less food per day than you would if you were eating 3 "healthy" meals per day. But man, I cannot believe that you skip breakfast. Not only for your physical health, but for your mental health as well. Even if you eat something that is not the best for your body or has some sugar or carbs in it, it is better than eating nothing at all. I would bet that the picture of your "healthy" dinner had at least 1200-1400 calories in it. That is not good to eat that much and head to bed. Also, what time did you eat that. Personally, I would not eat after 7:30 pm or 8 pm at the latest. I am a football coach and that is hard for me to do with my schedule, but I try to eat as early as possible.

You probably were not asking for opinions or advice and if my post offended you, I apologize. I thought that you might want to know that what you think is healthy and your plan is actually not the best way to go about losing HEALTHY weight.
If it's the most important meal of the day answer me this.
Why is it if I don't eat breakfast then I'm either starving before lunch or my blood sugar has dropped and I've had to have a coke or candy bar to stop the shakes?
Once again that was not my typical meal. I hadn't had breakfast or lunch that day and want a GOOD meal.
General it's a pork chop, chicken breast with spinach and green beans. Or I'll have bacon and eggs for dinner.
Lunch is either left over or tuna fish salad no bread,
We didn't spend the first part of our existence on this planet eat 3 square meals a day with the 4 so called food groups.
They hunted , killed and ate until it was gone and them they may not have eaten again for awhile.
So why would we think our bodies would have adapted to 3 squares a day with all the sugar and grains of today's work just in the last few hundred yrs?


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Incorrect. Carbs is a fad. We didn't even know what that was 20 years ago. LOL.
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Incorrect. Carbs is a fad. We didn't even know what that was 20 years ago. LOL.
Wrong . We've known about cards a lot longer than that.

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Jeez Louise, guy posts a pic of his meal and people are telling him how he is doing it all wrong. There are many ways to cut lbs and/or maintain weight. One size dont fit all. Ive done the low fat thing, low carb thing, eating six small meals a day thing, and the fasting thing. They all work. The key is getting all of the processed crap out of your diet, eat real food and stay active. That meal looked delicious and is indeed healthy.
It's a conversation man, that's all.

I agree on the man made food. Have you ever seen an overweight wild animal? No.

Humans and pets, yes.

We are made to eat meat, veggies, fruits, etc. Not butter and cookies and stuff.
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Wrong . We've known about cards a lot longer than that.

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I have lost 30 lbs a couple of times eating all kinds of bread and tortilla and drinking. LOL. 20-30 grams of fat per day and I lose weight. One time I had to cut back on the diet and eat some pizza. LOL.

Ever heard of the Subway dude? LOL. Wait.....

Soooo what does all that fat do for cholesterol levels?????? Can't be good.

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That is absolutely one of the worst things you can do, if you want to be healthy. I know we have all heard it, but breakfast is truly the most important meal of the day. If you were to add breakfast to your diet and tone down on the dinner portion, you would see much greater and HEALTHIER weight loss than you do by skipping breakfast and eating a lot of calories for dinner. If you truly want to become healthy, rather than just losing weight, breakfast cannot be skipped. People can lose a whole lot of weight and still be unhealthy. You are doing it backwards by not eating breakfast, small lunch, and good dinner. If you were to flip it, you would see much better results. "Eat like a king at breakfast, a queen at lunch, and a peasant at dinner." Also, you should have a healthy snack (fruit, protein shake if you are working out, yogurt, veggies, turkey, protein, etc) between each meal. Eating more times per day, yet in smaller portions, gives your stomach the feeling of being full, thus reducing the amount of total calories that you intake on any given day. Eating 6-7 smaller portions per day actually increases your metabolism as well, as your body is continually forced to break down the food that you have eaten. So, while you are eating more times per day, you are eating smaller portions and eating a total of less food per day than you would if you were eating 3 "healthy" meals per day. But man, I cannot believe that you skip breakfast. Not only for your physical health, but for your mental health as well. Even if you eat something that is not the best for your body or has some sugar or carbs in it, it is better than eating nothing at all. I would bet that the picture of your "healthy" dinner had at least 1200-1400 calories in it. That is not good to eat that much and head to bed. Also, what time did you eat that. Personally, I would not eat after 7:30 pm or 8 pm at the latest. I am a football coach and that is hard for me to do with my schedule, but I try to eat as early as possible.

You probably were not asking for opinions or advice and if my post offended you, I apologize. I thought that you might want to know that what you think is healthy and your plan is actually not the best way to go about losing HEALTHY weight.
Yes! Starving yourself or eating alot less will naturally make you not gain weight lol.

But I also like to eat and have stayed the same weight since my playing days many moons ago by this old school method.

Along the way, people will spend money for new methods and advice on the perfect method. And people pay it

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No, that is not what he posted. He posted "Healthy eating shouldn't be this delicious"! People were just mentioning to him that what he thinks is healthy is not really that healthy at all.
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I have lost 30 lbs a couple of times eating all kinds of bread and tortilla and drinking. LOL. 20-30 grams of fat per day and I lose weight. One time I had to cut back on the diet and eat some pizza. LOL.

Ever heard of the Subway dude? LOL. Wait.....

He lost that weight chasing young kids around
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No, that is not what he posted. He posted "Healthy eating shouldn't be this delicious"! People were just mentioning to him that what he thinks is healthy is not really that healthy at all.
Says who?
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I have lost 30 lbs a couple of times eating all kinds of bread and tortilla and drinking. LOL. 20-30 grams of fat per day and I lose weight. One time I had to cut back on the diet and eat some pizza. LOL.

Ever heard of the Subway dude? LOL. Wait.....

Soooo what does all that fat do for cholesterol levels?????? Can't be good.
I know so many people that were doing the low fat diet in the early to mid 90s and they all lost a lot of weight. A very high percentage of them also ended up having their gall bladders removed. This was the first "diet" I ever did. I cant remember exactly how much weight I lost but it was north of 20lbs.

The whole high cholesterol thing is a farce. Continued inflammation in body is what causes plaque to build up in arteries. Big Pharma and the govt is who came up with the cholesterol is bad for you so you should stop eating natural foods like eggs, butter and bacon.
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Now that is funny.....wrong, but funny.
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That is absolutely one of the worst things you can do, if you want to be healthy. I know we have all heard it, but breakfast is truly the most important meal of the day. If you were to add breakfast to your diet and tone down on the dinner portion, you would see much greater and HEALTHIER weight loss than you do by skipping breakfast and eating a lot of calories for dinner. If you truly want to become healthy, rather than just losing weight, breakfast cannot be skipped. People can lose a whole lot of weight and still be unhealthy. You are doing it backwards by not eating breakfast, small lunch, and good dinner. If you were to flip it, you would see much better results. "Eat like a king at breakfast, a queen at lunch, and a peasant at dinner." Also, you should have a healthy snack (fruit, protein shake if you are working out, yogurt, veggies, turkey, protein, etc) between each meal. Eating more times per day, yet in smaller portions, gives your stomach the feeling of being full, thus reducing the amount of total calories that you intake on any given day. Eating 6-7 smaller portions per day actually increases your metabolism as well, as your body is continually forced to break down the food that you have eaten. So, while you are eating more times per day, you are eating smaller portions and eating a total of less food per day than you would if you were eating 3 "healthy" meals per day. But man, I cannot believe that you skip breakfast. Not only for your physical health, but for your mental health as well. Even if you eat something that is not the best for your body or has some sugar or carbs in it, it is better than eating nothing at all. I would bet that the picture of your "healthy" dinner had at least 1200-1400 calories in it. That is not good to eat that much and head to bed. Also, what time did you eat that. Personally, I would not eat after 7:30 pm or 8 pm at the latest. I am a football coach and that is hard for me to do with my schedule, but I try to eat as early as possible.

You probably were not asking for opinions or advice and if my post offended you, I apologize. I thought that you might want to know that what you think is healthy and your plan is actually not the best way to go about losing HEALTHY weight.
lots of recent stuff published about how breakfast isnt the necessity that we have all been told our whole lives. like the OP said, recent science is showing us that a lot of what we have believed and been told for the last 50 years just isnt true.

go check out the Ketogenic Diet thread and read the posts from fellow TBH'ers that have lost tons of weight AND had tremendous improvements in their bloodwork while eating keto and fasting.
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i dont fully understand it all and we will all believe what we want but for the doubters, google Dom D'Agostino and/or Peter Attia, both eat Keto and consume like 200-300 grams of fat per day. its crazy when you think about it, but interesting for sure.
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Default Healthy eating SHOULDN'T be this delicious!!

I am 100% certain that no one really knows anything about how the body reacts to all of this crap.

How many different fad diets have their been over the last 30 years? And people still think the latest "study" is gospel....

Go with what works for ya! Especially if it's steak

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I am 100% certain that no one really knows anything about how the body reacts to all of this crap.

How many different fad diets have their been over the last 30 years? And people still think the latest "study" is gospel....

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Think that's what happened . They are get older now and I don't have to chase them, I got em fetching stuff for me now lol

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Sedentary life styles are the new smoking. I became an accountant 4 years ago. I lift weights and do cardio after work. Doesn't matter because after 2 hours of sitting in my truck commuting and 9 hours at my desk I am getting no calorie deficits. Humans were not meant to live this way. I have resigned by the way and taking up a new career path that will keep me active among other things.

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Or we've all been lied to for a.long time now.

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This USDA food pyramid has caused millions of Americans to die of heart disease and diabetes. If you don't trust your government to do anything else efficiently why the hell do you think you should listen to their advice on diet. The Standard American Diet is trash.
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This USDA food pyramid has caused millions of Americans to die of heart disease and diabetes. If you don't trust your government to do anything else efficiently why the hell do you think you should listen to their advice on diet. The Standard American Diet is trash.
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Wait, so high cholesterol isn't bad? Don't listen to my doc?
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I have lost 30 lbs a couple of times eating all kinds of bread and tortilla and drinking. LOL. 20-30 grams of fat per day and I lose weight. One time I had to cut back on the diet and eat some pizza. LOL.

Ever heard of the Subway dude? LOL. Wait.....

Soooo what does all that fat do for cholesterol levels?????? Can't be good.
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For those confused about whether this is healthy or not, my husband and I have been following a similar way of eating, and along with the weight loss, our blood work has never looked better. My starting cholesterol was 231, to the tune of my doctor wanting to start me on meds. Currently 116, well within optimal range. HDL was at 68, currently at 50. LDL at 110, triglycerides were at 253, currently at 80. Glucose was 109, pre-diabetic, and now at 82.
I eat low carb. I understand there are multiple ways to lose weight. I certainly don't tell people low carb is the only way. Low carb works for me. Why do y'all think YOUR way is the only way?

BTW, I'm closing in on -100lbs since mid Jan 2017 eating low carb low sugar.
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If it's the most important meal of the day answer me this.
Why is it if I don't eat breakfast then I'm either starving before lunch or my blood sugar has dropped and I've had to have a coke or candy bar to stop the shakes?
Once again that was not my typical meal. I hadn't had breakfast or lunch that day and want a GOOD meal.
General it's a pork chop, chicken breast with spinach and green beans. Or I'll have bacon and eggs for dinner.
Lunch is either left over or tuna fish salad no bread,
We didn't spend the first part of our existence on this planet eat 3 square meals a day with the 4 so called food groups.
They hunted , killed and ate until it was gone and them they may not have eaten again for awhile.
So why would we think our bodies would have adapted to 3 squares a day with all the sugar and grains of today's work just in the last few hundred yrs?


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If you dont eat breakfast, then you are going to be hungry before lunch. Your body has nothing to consume. So, naturally, if you dont eat breakfast, you are going to be hungry when lunch time rolls around. Is that what you meant to say? And if you dont eat breakfast, you have nothing in your body. Your blood sugar is going to drop, as a result of having no fuel. Why do you think some diabetics have to check their blood sugar and eat something if they need to? That is fine if you want a good meal, but dont act like it was healthy because it really was not that good for you, especially that many calories at that time of the day. Come on! And to let you know, bacon and eggs for dinner is not very healthy either. Fat, cholesterol, and carbs before bed does nothing good for your health. Also, do you put any butter, salt, seasoning, or anything on those pork chops, green beans, chicken breast, or spinach? If you do, while it seems healthy, is not as healthy as you think. If you want to eat healthy, you need to eat food in its natural state. Do you think it is healthy to eat carrots dipped in gallons of ranch? How about broccoli with melted cheese all over it?

To answer your question, because our bodies adapt over time to different nature and nurture aspects of where we live. Hell, people didnt think twice about lighting up a cigarette in the 1960's and if you do some research, there were people who thought smoking was actually good for you. People used to live to an average age of 38-ish and now we are living to be 78 years old. Things change, times change, and more and more information is out there. You dont have to believe me and if what you are doing works for you, then by all means, more power to you. But dont think it is healthy or in any way good for your body.

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lots of recent stuff published about how breakfast isnt the necessity that we have all been told our whole lives. like the OP said, recent science is showing us that a lot of what we have believed and been told for the last 50 years just isnt true.

go check out the Ketogenic Diet thread and read the posts from fellow TBH'ers that have lost tons of weight AND had tremendous improvements in their bloodwork while eating keto and fasting.
There is also much "recent stuff" that shows that eating breakfast is still as important as it was when we were growing up. And I agree with you about your 50 years statement and I said that in my response about smoking in the 60's. I am not saying that Keto and fasting does not work. I am saying that it is not the healthiest way to lose weight and it is not the best for the body. The one thing that has remained constant in the continuing struggle to lose weight is diet and nutrition, intense exercise, and rest. Those 3 things will never change and will not come and go with the times or with whatever fad diet is popular at the time. Keto, fasting, "beach body", high fat/low carb, ATKINS, Weight Watchers, Nutrisystem, SlimFast, South Beach, and Paleo have all come and gone and the newest one will do the same. And those are just a few. As I mentioned, the constant has always been and will be proper nutrition, which includes eating breakfast and smaller portions, high intensity exercise or any exercise at all at least 30 minutes per day, 3-4 days per week, and sleep. Those will never go away.

But, what do I know. I mean, I only studied this in college, trained with it in my playing days, was taught this by strength and conditioning coordinators in my playing day, listen to lectures and discussions once per month, and discuss this on a daily basis with athletes. Not to mention nutrition and exercise are a passion of mine. Something that I look research at least 4 times per week.

Good luck with all the weight loss and if it works, by gosh, keep it going.
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I eat low carb. I understand there are multiple ways to lose weight. I certainly don't tell people low carb is the only way. Low carb works for me. Why do y'all think YOUR way is the only way?

BTW, I'm closing in on -100lbs since mid Jan 2017 eating low carb low sugar.
I just like to poke fun at all the fad diets like Dale mentioned. It's like "I'm cool because I am on the new keto diet bro".

Whatever works for you is fine with me.
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I eat low carb. I understand there are multiple ways to lose weight. I certainly don't tell people low carb is the only way. Low carb works for me. Why do y'all think YOUR way is the only way?

BTW, I'm closing in on -100lbs since mid Jan 2017 eating low carb low sugar.
No one is saying that OUR way is the only way. Just trying to be iformative and show another perspective and give out some information that could make the weight loss better and help to become even healthier. Just dont be confused and think that certain ways are overall healthy when they are not. Do they work for that individual? Yes. Does it mean that doing it that way is good for the body and healthy? Not all the time.

That is all that is being said. Have a good day.
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Wait, so high cholesterol isn't bad? Don't listen to my doc?
200 is not high. No, donít listen to your doctor
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200 is not high. No, don’t listen to your doctor
Mine is 247
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I just like to poke fun at all the fad diets like Dale mentioned. It's like "I'm cool because I am on the new keto diet bro".

Whatever works for you is fine with me.
It has become the new crossfit, people have to tell you about it. I don't tell anybody who doesn't ask, unfortunately anybody who hasn't seen me in a while is going to ask.

I've had people tell me about their "keto flu" 4 days into their diet. It is pretty ridiculous.

I don't look at it as a diet, I look at it as how I'm going to eat from now on. Sure I like pasta and potatoes but I can certainly live without them. Sugar is gone aside from maybe on special occasions. I'll drink my own pee before I go back to drinking cokes.
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I have lost 30 lbs a couple of times eating all kinds of bread and tortilla and drinking. LOL. 20-30 grams of fat per day and I lose weight. One time I had to cut back on the diet and eat some pizza. LOL.

Ever heard of the Subway dude? LOL. Wait.....

Soooo what does all that fat do for cholesterol levels?????? Can't be good.
My sisters are part of a study. They are into the third year of it. They both were on blood pressure, cholesterol, Diabetes medicine, had sleep apnea and extremely overweight. 1 has lost 120 lbs and the other 70lbs. They are off all medicine. Apnea is gone. They are on maintenance now. They signed up for another 2 years and are 1 year into it.

I have been eating keto for about 2 years. I am on maintenance. I had high cholesterol, type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure and 35 lbs over weight. I am off my medicine except on blood pressure medicine still. I have never felt better. I have arthritis throughout my back, shoulders, etc. One of the side effects of eating this way is it gets rid of the inflammation in your body. It is awesome. No carbs for me
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If you dont eat breakfast, then you are going to be hungry before lunch. Your body has nothing to consume. So, naturally, if you dont eat breakfast, you are going to be hungry when lunch time rolls around. Is that what you meant to say? And if you dont eat breakfast, you have nothing in your body. Your blood sugar is going to drop, as a result of having no fuel. Why do you think some diabetics have to check their blood sugar and eat something if they need to? That is fine if you want a good meal, but dont act like it was healthy because it really was not that good for you, especially that many calories at that time of the day. Come on! And to let you know, bacon and eggs for dinner is not very healthy either. Fat, cholesterol, and carbs before bed does nothing good for your health. Also, do you put any butter, salt, seasoning, or anything on those pork chops, green beans, chicken breast, or spinach? If you do, while it seems healthy, is not as healthy as you think. If you want to eat healthy, you need to eat food in its natural state. Do you think it is healthy to eat carrots dipped in gallons of ranch? How about broccoli with melted cheese all over it?

To answer your question, because our bodies adapt over time to different nature and nurture aspects of where we live. Hell, people didnt think twice about lighting up a cigarette in the 1960's and if you do some research, there were people who thought smoking was actually good for you. People used to live to an average age of 38-ish and now we are living to be 78 years old. Things change, times change, and more and more information is out there. You dont have to believe me and if what you are doing works for you, then by all means, more power to you. But dont think it is healthy or in any way good for your body.



There is also much "recent stuff" that shows that eating breakfast is still as important as it was when we were growing up. And I agree with you about your 50 years statement and I said that in my response about smoking in the 60's. I am not saying that Keto and fasting does not work. I am saying that it is not the healthiest way to lose weight and it is not the best for the body. The one thing that has remained constant in the continuing struggle to lose weight is diet and nutrition, intense exercise, and rest. Those 3 things will never change and will not come and go with the times or with whatever fad diet is popular at the time. Keto, fasting, "beach body", high fat/low carb, ATKINS, Weight Watchers, Nutrisystem, SlimFast, South Beach, and Paleo have all come and gone and the newest one will do the same. And those are just a few. As I mentioned, the constant has always been and will be proper nutrition, which includes eating breakfast and smaller portions, high intensity exercise or any exercise at all at least 30 minutes per day, 3-4 days per week, and sleep. Those will never go away.

But, what do I know. I mean, I only studied this in college, trained with it in my playing days, was taught this by strength and conditioning coordinators in my playing day, listen to lectures and discussions once per month, and discuss this on a daily basis with athletes. Not to mention nutrition and exercise are a passion of mine. Something that I look research at least 4 times per week.

Good luck with all the weight loss and if it works, by gosh, keep it going.
No I meant to say what I said.
If I do eat breakfast fast say on the weekends or when someone told me , hey eat 5-6 small meals a day to keep your metabolism rolling then I was always starving before lunch or my blood sugar dropped and I had to eat something sweet to stop the shakes from hypoglycemia.
I understand stand you are into nutrition and I'm sure you still do your research.
But I know this about most people we hate to admit we have been taught wrong our whole lives and what we have based our lives / beliefs on.
And the more educated a person is the harder it is for them to come around to new information.



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I eat low carb. I understand there are multiple ways to lose weight. I certainly don't tell people low carb is the only way. Low carb works for me. Why do y'all think YOUR way is the only way?

BTW, I'm closing in on -100lbs since mid Jan 2017 eating low carb low sugar.
I by no means think what is working for our family is the only way. If thatís how it came across, Iím sorry. I only wanted to show that what the OP posted could in fact be healthy. There are many different ways of eating that work for different people. For my family, finding a way of eating that is sustainable over time, and gives us the improvement in our own bloodwork, is what our goal was. I donít tell peole we do keto, because there are many things we eat that would throw most people out of ketosis. Both my husband and I eat breakfast, a light lunch, and a good dinner. When asked, we tend to say we avoid sugar and most processed foods, and leave it at that. Are we eating low carb, and do we take in more fat than what has been taught as normal? Yes, but everyone is different and what works for us might not be the best for someone else.
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I don't really do the macros, I just keep the carbs to a minimum and no sugar.
No breakfast, small lunch , usually leftover dinner, and a good dinner.
It's worked for me so far. Down from 197 to 171.
I just can't get into weighing my food and counting cals.and macros.


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thats keto counting and macros unless thats not what u r doing if so I aologise
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I think y'all misunderstood the "side" remark. Among us guys that used to hunt together when someone said "let's eat steaks tonight", someone else would always say "make sure they have two sides", meaning a thick steak. Thereafter, I referred to a thin steak as only having one side. I like my steaks thick !
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I by no means think what is working for our family is the only way. If thatís how it came across, Iím sorry. I only wanted to show that what the OP posted could in fact be healthy. There are many different ways of eating that work for different people. For my family, finding a way of eating that is sustainable over time, and gives us the improvement in our own bloodwork, is what our goal was. I donít tell peole we do keto, because there are many things we eat that would throw most people out of ketosis. Both my husband and I eat breakfast, a light lunch, and a good dinner. When asked, we tend to say we avoid sugar and most processed foods, and leave it at that. Are we eating low carb, and do we take in more fat than what has been taught as normal? Yes, but everyone is different and what works for us might not be the best for someone else.
I was using your post to show BOB how he was wrong and that eating Keto can lower cholesterol.
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