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Old 09-05-2016, 09:59 PM   #1
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Default Wildlife Water In Arid Areas- My Guzzler

After much planning I have finally completed and set my Guzzler so I can have relatively consistent water at my place between Rocksprings and Del Rio.

It's a relatively dry area. I have no creeks or tanks on my property. I built my Guzzler with 1 inch angle iron, roofing tin, 2x4s, gutter supplies and a 275 gallon IBC tote which was procured from the Green Screen.

I under estimated the length of the run to get the trough float valve downhill of the IBC valve, but made it work. I will surely re plumb at the float valve and add protection to keep hogs and whatever from tearing up the entry point to the trough. We also added structure in and around the trough to help smaller guests keep from drowning and making the water putrid.

The rain falls on the tin roof, gutter delivers it to the tank, gravity delivers it to the trough, the float valve feels the water level and stops the flow until the water level is lower.

on my land water makes a big difference!
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:02 PM   #2
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Looks good that'll work better than a feeder there.
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:03 PM   #3
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Good Work! Looks good!
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:03 PM   #4
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Just curious, you said your land, how much are wells running out there?
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:06 PM   #5
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Looks good brother! That's liquid gold right there...
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:13 PM   #6
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Just curious, you said your land, how much are wells running out there?
Well . . . I don't know for sure, but I hear that they were about $5.00 a foot, no guarantee and the water table is DEEP. Appears to be "unobtainium" unless you have vast resources that you can afford to utilize. However, I truly don't really know for sure.
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:16 PM   #7
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Thing is, when it rains, IT RAINS! Sometimes there is quite a spell between rains. Also, the water runs off very quickly. You have to be able yo contain the water to benefit from it or it drains off as quickly as it came.
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:23 PM   #8
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Well . . . I don't know for sure, but I hear that they were about $5.00 a foot, no guarantee and the water table is DEEP. Appears to be "unobtainium" unless you have vast resources that you can afford to utilize. However, I truly don't really know for sure.
Interesting, thank you. 5 bucks a foot seems pretty cheap tho?

Have ya thought about damming up a pond?
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:27 PM   #9
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Interesting, thank you. 5 bucks a foot seems pretty cheap tho?

Have ya thought about damming up a pond?
Last I heard wells were going for about 10-15K... It just depended on depth... This was close to town, not sure if it would be more to have it done if travel is involved...
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:41 PM   #10
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I love that idea.
How much water will a one inch rain catch on that roof?
Any pigs in that dry area? Need a pen?
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:52 PM   #11
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Old 09-05-2016, 11:10 PM   #12
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I love that idea.
How much water will a one inch rain catch on that roof?
Any pigs in that dry area? Need a pen?
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Don't know about his, I read somewhere that a 1/2" rain on 1000' sq ft roof comes out to about 600 gallons. There are several websites to help with these just google calculating rainwater runoff, that should hook you up.
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Old 09-05-2016, 11:20 PM   #13
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You are going to lose a fair amount of water to evaporation with a trough that large. I know that I do on one of my spots. It is right by the well though and I just refill the tote about once per month. I don't leave my well valves open when I am not there or I would permanently plumb it up.

Make a smaller water trough and your tote will last weeks longer. There were some good examples in other threads here on the green screen.

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Old 09-06-2016, 09:00 AM   #14
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I gleaned quite a bit of info from the GS when designing my guzzler. I agree about evap with the larger trough. I decided to go with the larger one to combat rough housing by hogs (we have a ton), Aoudads and the occasional rogue long horn. It's a little more stable than a small pan. In fact, Tractor Supply sells a small pan with a protected float valve built in to it for about $32. I need to build a protector on my plumbing and float valve for the same reason.
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Old 09-06-2016, 09:18 AM   #15
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You may want to put a piece of cattle panel over the top of trough. Narrow piece across center of trough leaving edges on both sides open. Hogs will get in the trough and mess it up. I drove t post on each end tied panel to them.
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Old 09-06-2016, 09:38 AM   #16
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I gleaned quite a bit of info from the GS when designing my guzzler. I agree about evap with the larger trough. I decided to go with the larger one to combat rough housing by hogs (we have a ton), Aoudads and the occasional rogue long horn. It's a little more stable than a small pan. In fact, Tractor Supply sells a small pan with a protected float valve built in to it for about $32. I need to build a protector on my plumbing and float valve for the same reason.
Buy the smaller red one at tractor supply and bury it. It's tough digging in that country, so you may have to try a few different spots beforehand. Or you could always build a 2x4 frame and pour some concrete around the trough. The hogs on our place actually haven't been that hard on our buried setups.
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Old 09-06-2016, 09:39 AM   #17
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You may want to put a teaspoon of copper sulfate in your tote or else it will grow a lot of algae. Spray painting the tote a dark color will help, also.
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Old 09-06-2016, 11:33 AM   #18
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Thank you all for your comments and input. I can't wait to get back out there after some rain. Forecasts suggest that we may get a couple of showers in the next week or so. I'm going back for 4 days on the 22nd of September. I hope to file a useful report.
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Old 09-26-2016, 10:18 AM   #19
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Water Guzzler update: Went to the ranch this weekend. Got hammered by major storms for almost 48 hours. Only got about 4 to 5 inches of water in the tank bt did fill trough to fill (35-40 gal trough).

I think that my problem was in my design. The roof surface is onl 4x6. I guess that just isn't enough surface to harvest a lot of water. It is working and the trough is full, but not as efrficient as I'd like.
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Old 09-26-2016, 10:32 AM   #20
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I don't want to be a bubble popper, but you need a much larger roof. 2 of what you have at a steeper angle shaped into a V with the gutter system in the middle of that V.
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Old 09-26-2016, 10:46 AM   #21
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1" of rain will give you about .6 gallons per sq. foot.
I have a 10' x 30' and get about 180 gallons per inch of rain.
Not as much as anybody hopes for but much better than none.
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Old 09-26-2016, 10:48 AM   #22
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Water Guzzler update: Went to the ranch this weekend. Got hammered by major storms for almost 48 hours. Only got about 4 to 5 inches of water in the tank bt did fill trough to fill (35-40 gal trough).

I think that my problem was in my design. The roof surface is onl 4x6. I guess that just isn't enough surface to harvest a lot of water. It is working and the trough is full, but not as efrficient as I'd like.

Area (SF) = (Storage Tank (gal) x 1.6)/(Min. Avg. Annual Precip (in))

This is the formula for area of your roof for guzzlers. I think that in places like Texas where you tend to get a ton of rainfall and then longer drought periods, I would double the SF.
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Water Guzzler update: Went to the ranch this weekend. Got hammered by major storms for almost 48 hours. Only got about 4 to 5 inches of water in the tank bt did fill trough to fill (35-40 gal trough).

I think that my problem was in my design. The roof surface is onl 4x6. I guess that just isn't enough surface to harvest a lot of water. It is working and the trough is full, but not as efrficient as I'd like.
Looks great. Couple of things.

Surface area really needs to be much larger. (5 times larger at least)
Trough needs to be much smaller.
Burying the line to trough would be ideal. First big freeze you will have problems, if the line is not broken before by wildlife. A water hose works good instead of the PVC. Black water line works the best. For sure insulate the water line and add protection to water line / float area.

Not trying to nitpick, just have experience with guzzlers and what can go wrong.

Good luck this season.
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Old 06-02-2017, 08:06 AM   #24
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100 sq ft of roof, 1" rain should yield around 62 gallons of catchment.

I use for personal use, but now getting ready to share with the animals
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Old 06-02-2017, 08:17 AM   #25
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How's is progress. Any gams pics?
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Looks good, but agree on needing an inverted V shape for more surface area and if you don't bury the PVC line, at least put in a couple more 90's to make it run along the ground or it will get broke.
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Old 06-02-2017, 09:33 AM   #27
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https://www.rainmakerwildlife.com/water-collectors/
A lot of good information here.
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:56 PM   #28
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Now that's ingenuity!
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Old 06-05-2017, 07:25 PM   #29
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My Guzzler is still doing just fine. After about 1 year the PVC is not broken or problematic in any way. My only issues is that when I do the next one i will make the water catchment surface bigger.
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