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Old 02-07-2017, 07:15 AM   #1
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Default Best state to apply for a bighorn tag?

I am not sure I'll ever be able to afford $20,000+ for one tag, and while I'm young I'd like to start putting in for a draw to hopefully get enough points built up to draw a tag. Anybody else do this? Care to help me? Then I need to figure out costs as to what they end up keeping. How much you front. How long they keep it. Etc.
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:33 AM   #2
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I honestly would think New Mexico? I haven't done enough research on the matter. Hopefully some others can chime in.
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Old 02-07-2017, 07:39 AM   #3
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:00 AM   #4
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Montana is a great place for sheep. You have fees, but don't put the entire tag fee down up front...just comes out of your credit card if you're drawn.
You just do not know how long it will take. In colorado..you have zero chance until your fourth year. In montana, nevada, utah, you have a chance every year, but it your chances increase every year. It's really a thing you have to think of in a lifetime, rather than a few years or even a decade.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:07 AM   #5
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According to Steve Rinella, it depends on how old you are when you start applying (in relation to Montana). If you haven't applied by age 30, save your draw fees $ and bank it and go on a guided sheep hunt. Watched one show in Montana, the guy applied to for 40 yrs......however one young lady drew a New Mexico sheep tag with 2 pts.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:12 AM   #6
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I've heard Idaho has some of the best odds for sheep. IIRC you can only apply for the big 3 or elk, deer, antelope in a given year......not both.....and no preference points.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:21 AM   #7
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Any states where I can just buy points?
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:24 AM   #8
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Any states where I can just buy points?
You can, for sure in CO. They'll take the full $2,000+, then refund it a couple months later. NR are required to submit on paper. Applicant can accumulate a maximum of three preference points for sheep.
Once applicant has 3 preference points, then they are awarded a weighted point for each year they are unsuccessful in the draw

Based on the numbers and chances of drawing as a NR, MT seems like the best place to look. They use a bonus point system.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:30 AM   #9
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Great resource.

http://www.backcountrychronicles.com...ion-deadlines/
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:33 AM   #10
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www.gohunt.com takes all the guesswork out of the systems if you are serious about starting. They break down all the odds for non-resident and resident. Which states have points, which ones don't. Depending on the state you apply you are going up against some with 100+ points or max lifetime points cause a few state square your bonus points.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:34 AM   #11
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Looks like they guys are still working on the 2017 date timeline in that previous post. They will continually improve that info as season goes on or things change.

Here's the 2016 table that was accurate last year. Should give you a pretty good idea: http://www.backcountrychronicles.com...tion-deadline/
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:35 AM   #12
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www.huntinfool.com is also a good resource with their own group of lottery style drawings with guides they've picked.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:46 AM   #13
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I use GoHunt. I've signed up for the Insider. I want to hunt the west more and more. So far, it's been valuable to me. BigHorn is something I'm pretty interested in as well. This will be the first year for me to apply.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:59 AM   #14
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If you put $250/month into a mutual fund and were fortunate enough to earn an average of 8% on the money for 7 years, you'd accumulate $26K to use on a hunt. Keep it up for 10 years, and you'd have $43K. If it takes that long to build enough points to possibly draw a hunt anyway, it's something to consider.
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Old 02-07-2017, 09:04 AM   #15
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If you put $250/month into a mutual fund and were fortunate enough to earn an average of 8% on the money for 7 years, you'd accumulate $26K to use on a hunt. Keep it up for 10 years, and you'd have $43K. If it takes that long to build enough points to possibly draw a hunt anyway, it's something to consider.
Maybe I know a FA that can get it to 10%!!
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Old 02-07-2017, 10:50 AM   #16
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Also go on a Randy Newberg Hunt Talk Podcast (available online as well) marathon, and watch his Youtube channel. He is a public land advocate and is always talking about draw odds, public land issues, public land hunting, and the draw system of the western states. He just did one because we are in "application season".

Look up the Meateater Podcast where they have Jay Scott Outfitters as a guest. They are a sheep hunting outfit based out of Arizona or New Mexico. Very informative podcast regarding sheep tags.
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Old 02-07-2017, 10:57 AM   #17
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If you put $250/month into a mutual fund and were fortunate enough to earn an average of 8% on the money for 7 years, you'd accumulate $26K to use on a hunt. Keep it up for 10 years, and you'd have $43K. If it takes that long to build enough points to possibly draw a hunt anyway, it's something to consider.
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That's not going to keep up with the way the prices of those hunts increase. Since I hunted Dall sheep in the NWT in 1995 the cost of just the sheep hunt itself has tripled.
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Old 02-07-2017, 11:06 AM   #18
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Maybe I know a FA that can get it to 10%!!
There's somebody that'll get you 15%, I'm sure.
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Old 02-07-2017, 11:17 AM   #19
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Any states where I can just buy points?
From the data I've gathered for non residents either Arizona or Montana. Problem with Arizona is you have to buy the liscense up front plus the draw so it's around 170-200$ per time you put in while Montana you can just buy points (believe it's around 50-100$ each year)

With point creep and what not I would bet it's a 25-35 year wait for each
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Old 02-07-2017, 11:18 AM   #20
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To heck with it. I'll just keep buying the Texas draw stuff and work har to move up in the company lol
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Old 02-07-2017, 12:35 PM   #21
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There's no telling what point creep will do to the odds 10-15 years from now too.
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Old 02-07-2017, 12:50 PM   #22
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To heck with it. I'll just keep buying the Texas draw stuff and work har to move up in the company lol
Not sure if I could make myself spend the money for a sheep hunt, but after looking at the draw odds, point creep and time it takes to apply for all of the out of state hunts, working hard and saving up the money seems to make the most sense.
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