[SanAngeloBowman]

Originally Posted by Hunter_Man

sorry SAB, i was really busy this weekend. Work and kids have me up to my ears. I didn't even get a chance to go out there this past week!

So what is the rules in regards to the Elk heard out there? I was told 2 different stories. a city official told me they were illegal to shoot. the game warden told me it wasn't because they were considered exotics and there was no city oridinance guiding what can be shot on the TBR land.

i do not intend on shooting them, but i have found 2 carcasses in the past 4 weeks, so someone is.

do you have guidance yet?

I was promised an email with official copy of new ordinance but have not yet received, BUT....I have been told by the L&PP that its a $4k fine and up to a year imprisonent, and up to 5 yrs. loss of hunting rights.

Their IS an existing law against the shooting of exotics on TBR. They are considering them selves as the "Land Owners" which in that case you need permission before shooting or its a crime in the matter of exotics.

[Hunter_Man]

wow... they need to communicate this to the game wardens then. The game warden just told me, in person, 2 weeks ago that the Elk are exotics and they are fair game, although the owner of the elk would "prefer that you don't shoot them".

Just out of curiousity, can the lake and park police enforce game laws? I thought that was the jurisdiction of the Game Warden? are they properly trained?

And where are the "legal" species of animals that can be hunted on the TBR listed? I just want to make sure everything i'm shooting out there is legal. are varmints legal? Dove? Quail? I want to see something so I'm not breaking any laws. Everyone has told me there's rules, but i'm yet to see them in writing.

[SanAngeloBowman]

I have my first meeting with the City Manager down at City Hall this morning. Wish me luck! I'll update later today

[Hunter_Man]

wow, i've been calling the city manager's office literally every day for 2 weeks, and haven't been able to get a call back, or a meeting scheduled. it's always "they're in a meeting".

good job man!

so how'd it go?

[Flint knapper]

Typical city official behavior!

[SanAngeloBowman]

Meeting with city went very well. As for the blind and tree stand issues as of immediately no more hunting equipment is to be confiscated, tho the ruling still stands for now. (ill explain in a minute) You may see a friendly note asking you to remove instead. PLEASE adhear to the current ruling until we can meet further to get a better understanding between parties for a more mutual agreement.

Now, this is what we CVHA proposed to the city mgr. today. It was in the form of a "Hunting Blind Permit " program. Escentially you purchase a permit thus like a camping permit for the use of a commercially manufactured hunting blind/stand for either a weekend or season pass. This was to alleviate the whole issue of what was "Litter" or "abandoned Property" all together and beneficial to the city and would help fund their lake cleanup and maintenance program (ya gotta talk dollars when it comes to city finance).

Well what happend next was quite excellent for us......the city mgr was very receptive of the idea but appearantly he has a whole stewadship agenda already in the works (just beginning) and has invited us (CVHA) to be a part of it by sitting in on the planning meetings and put forth our recommendations. It is way to early to start throwing around information as of yet but I can say that you could most likely see TBR modeled after San Angelo State Park rules and regs and a probable permit program.

I truly believe the city mgr. has whats best for the hunting in our area in mind as he himself is an avid hunter himself!

Furthermore all the issues folks have voiced to me by email, phone, and here on the forum have been addressed and heard.

Daniel I urge you to call me so I can try to help you with your issue. Here on this forum is not really the place. You have my number.

[Hunter_Man]

I sincerely apologize for not calling you. i've been so busy. full time job, full time college student, twin 4 yr olds at home... just not a lot of time.
i really want to set up a time to meet, but the little free time i have is quickly gone with chores around the house.

i did however go out to put some corn down at the lake, and got stopped by the LPP. the guy i talked to was unaware of anything you mention. i guess it hasn't filtered down yet.

i'll try ot call you this weekend. i'm checking on a lease saturday.

[Harvey]

Back in the good 'ol days when Hafernick and I stomped around at the Buttes, we'd hardly ever see anyone else much less anyone patrolling the area. Sounds like some structured regulations are soon in store for the Buttes. I believe that will certainly be good for the stewardship of the resources out there.
My favorite fly fishing spot in the Angelo area is at the Spring Creek **** downstream from the Boys Ranch. Lot's of sunfish and small bass. BIG BASS above the dam!!!!

[SanAngeloBowman]

Originally Posted by Harvey

Back in the good 'ol days when Hafernick and I stomped around at the Buttes, we'd hardly ever see anyone else much less anyone patrolling the area. Sounds like some structured regulations are soon in store for the Buttes. I believe that will certainly be good for the stewardship of the resources out there.
My favorite fly fishing spot in the Angelo area is at the Spring Creek **** downstream from the Boys Ranch. Lot's of sunfish and small bass. BIG BASS above the dam!!!!

Hey Harvey I just started fly fishing again recently. Thanks for info. Another fun place to flyfish and bowfish is upstream from garner **** where the river splits at the "Island" go left up the east fork about 200yards to a bend in the river that forms a lilly pad covered "pond" packed full of Alligator Garr. Fun stuff on a fly rod!

[SanAngeloBowman]

Originally Posted by Hunter_Man

I sincerely apologize for not calling you. i've been so busy. full time job, full time college student, twin 4 yr olds at home... just not a lot of time.
i really want to set up a time to meet, but the little free time i have is quickly gone with chores around the house.

i did however go out to put some corn down at the lake, and got stopped by the LPP. the guy i talked to was unaware of anything you mention. i guess it hasn't filtered down yet.

i'll try ot call you this weekend. i'm checking on a lease saturday.

Hey I hear ya, you do sound busy. Call me and I'll update ya on what I know and talk about some good spots.

Rob

[RussLandry]

Originally Posted by SanAngeloBowman

With all the "Issues" lately concerning TBR we have as of today formed the Concho Valley Hunters Advocacy to open dialouge with local authorities, TPWD, and the City of San Angelo. All those with concerns may email me with details and we will try our best to sort out the issues at hand here. We are actively seeking members for help and support of the newly formed group and if you live or hunt here I strongly encourage you to get involved to protect our public hunting lands and rights.

Shot me an email with the details. I just joined the forum, but plan on hunting TBR all year with and couple buddies. I am stationed in San Angelo to 2012, so I'd like to hunt for the next couple years here.

P.S. going scouting tomorrow 11/04/2009 for a place to hunt this weekend, and suggestions?

Thanks,

Russ

[SanAngeloBowman]

Originally Posted by RussLandry

Shot me an email with the details. I just joined the forum, but plan on hunting TBR all year with and couple buddies. I am stationed in San Angelo to 2012, so I'd like to hunt for the next couple years here.

P.S. going scouting tomorrow 11/04/2009 for a place to hunt this weekend, and suggestions?

Thanks,

Russ

If ya have a 4 wheeler go checkout area 6 as far back in as ya can get along river. Another good spot is in Area 3 as far back up the spring creek area as ya can get. Look at areial photos and find the back fence with the cattle guard. Go thru that and back to where ya see the big pecan trees along river near a ****. A guy shot a 14 point back there last year. Warning: the road is VERY overgrown. Taking your street vehicle/truck will cause certain damage to the body/paint.

[RussLandry]

Originally Posted by SanAngeloBowman

If ya have a 4 wheeler go checkout area 6 as far back in as ya can get along river. Another good spot is in Area 3 as far back up the spring creek area as ya can get. Look at areial photos and find the back fence with the cattle guard. Go thru that and back to where ya see the big pecan trees along river near a ****. A guy shot a 14 point back there last year. Warning: the road is VERY overgrown. Taking your street vehicle/truck will cause certain damage to the body/paint.

Hey SAB,

I went scoutting area 3 today on my lunch. I went in on the 1st road on the east side of the zone, drove in about 1 mile, got out and walked north to the res, it didn't look too promising. I was thinking the south area of the zone near the point of the res. Is there anywhere you could put a canoe in and paddle the shore line until you get to the south point? Is that possible?

Thanks,

Russ

[SanAngeloBowman]

Originally Posted by RussLandry

Hey SAB,

I went scoutting area 3 today on my lunch. I went in on the 1st road on the east side of the zone, drove in about 1 mile, got out and walked north to the res, it didn't look too promising. I was thinking the south area of the zone near the point of the res. Is there anywhere you could put a canoe in and paddle the shore line until you get to the south point? Is that possible?

Thanks,

Russ

RUSS

send me your phone number. What you are talking about is totally unnecessary, plus your looking in wrong spots. I can tell ya much more or show ya more if we talk soon. I'll be hunting back out there starting this weekend due to draw hunts at SASP where Ive been lately.

Rob

[RussLandry]

Originally Posted by SanAngeloBowman

RUSS

send me your phone number. What you are talking about is totally unnecessary, plus your looking in wrong spots. I can tell ya much more or show ya more if we talk soon. I'll be hunting back out there starting this weekend due to draw hunts at SASP where Ive been lately.

Rob

Sent you a message

[RussLandry]

Originally Posted by RussLandry

Sent you a message

My work email is russ.landry@goodfellow.af.mil

[SanAngeloBowman]

Originally Posted by RussLandry

Sent you a message

I'll check it. One of my old hunting buddys was the Chf. Msgt. out there at GFAB. Paul Moreau. I believe he's running a base up in Penn. now but his son John still comes out to hunt and visit with me.

[SanAngeloBowman]

Originally Posted by RussLandry

Sent you a message

No message found? you can call me 212 3251

[RussLandry]

Thanks again for all the advice today!

[SanAngeloBowman]

Any time. Hope it works out for ya. I'll be hunting out there again starting this weekend.

[RussLandry]

Originally Posted by SanAngeloBowman

Any time. Hope it works out for ya. I'll be hunting out there again starting this weekend.

Cool, see you out there!

[RussLandry]

Went scout that area we talked about. Didn't make it all the way back, burried my truck after the section of loose rocks, like an idiot I followed the water around. Good news is I saw a ton of tracks! Gonna drive my wifes truck to the rocks in the morning and walk the rest. I'll hunt the morning then go dig my self out after the hunt. When does the rut start around here because I heard a nice grunt after I got stuck.

[SanAngeloBowman]

Originally Posted by RussLandry

Went scout that area we talked about. Didn't make it all the way back, burried my truck after the section of loose rocks, like an idiot I followed the water around. Good news is I saw a ton of tracks! Gonna drive my wifes truck to the rocks in the morning and walk the rest. I'll hunt the morning then go dig my self out after the hunt. When does the rut start around here because I heard a nice grunt after I got stuck.

USUALLY AROUND Thanksgiving dependent on the temps but I have witnessed bucks getting pretty "frustrated" tearing up tree limbs and raking the stumps real good. There has been a huge increase in rubs the past week, so we're getting the about on schedule. Just hope for a turn in the temps in the next week. Its usually cooler than this by now.

I figured that area back along river would be good these days. Its a chore getting back in there but there a few feeders at the little ranch estates that draw them to that area as well as the Agriculture fields close by there.

[RussLandry]

Originally Posted by SanAngeloBowman

USUALLY AROUND Thanksgiving dependent on the temps but I have witnessed bucks getting pretty "frustrated" tearing up tree limbs and raking the stumps real good. There has been a huge increase in rubs the past week, so we're getting the about on schedule. Just hope for a turn in the temps in the next week. Its usually cooler than this by now.

I figured that area back along river would be good these days. Its a chore getting back in there but there a few feeders at the little ranch estates that draw them to that area as well as the Agriculture fields close by there.

Hunted there this morning, still hunted till about 9, never seen anything, then stalked till about 12. Nothing, dang full moon. I knew I was in trouble when I left this morning at 4, and there were 3 eating in the yard next to mine.

Finally got my truck out of the mud, guy from west texas off road was an awesome guy, and yanked me out!

Good luck guys!

[SanAngeloBowman]

Rut has definitely started around our area guys. Ive been hunting Lake Ivie and watched several bucks with their noses to the dirt tracking the does and chasing hard around the feeders. Their not intested in the corn at all.

Ive gotten the same reports for around the Grape Creek area not far from the state park and Twin Buttes. Start using the estrus scents and rattling during the afternoon lulls.

Every time ive hung some estrus scent wicks Ive had bucks come lookin within an hour, add some fawn bleats in there just after ya hang them for good measure. This has worked for me 3 times this week already

[SanAngeloBowman]

Just got word from someone that hunts unit 4 that they rattled in a buck this week. Sounds like a plan since Ive not had very good luck using calls out there.

[RussLandry]

Originally Posted by SanAngeloBowman

Just got word from someone that hunts unit 4 that they rattled in a buck this week. Sounds like a plan since Ive not had very good luck using calls out there.

Cool, thanks bro. I'll try that next weekend, I'm going hunt up around Winters this weekend. I'll probably hunt a good bit next week around the holiday.

[SanAngeloBowman]

Originally Posted by RussLandry

Cool, thanks bro. I'll try that next weekend, I'm going hunt up around Winters this weekend. I'll probably hunt a good bit next week around the holiday.

You should have a good time around Winters. Ive been hunting just South of there in Lake Ivie. Theyve been chasing hard for awhile now and I already have 3 deer down including an 8 point cull buck and Ive had a huge 150+ buck come in 2x in my last hunts.