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    #31
    Originally posted by Rush2Judge View Post
    Please do some research to avoid foot-in-mouth disease.

    All Trump did was put land back in the control of the State. Obama did a land grab right before he left office. I will never understand the arguement or thought process that thinks Federal employees thousands of miles away and who have likely never even come near these places are better qualified to manage these lands than those who are local. These were State lands that Obama tried to take.


    Isn't that the truth. Ignorance is not bliss as "they" say. Ignorance is ignorance. A little research goes a long ways.

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      #32
      Originally posted by Froggy View Post
      During my career with the U.S. Forest Service I served as an Oil and Gas Natural Resource Specialist. The big, bad oil companies did not rape the land.

      There are many laws and regulations put in place by Congress to protect our natural resources and many dedicated professionals working hard to make sure that our public lands are protected.

      IMO what Trump just did will be a benefit to all recreation users and sportsmen.
      The people that fight against the big, bad oil companies want us to stay dependent on purchasing oil from people who won't let woment drive and stone them for being raped.

      So virtuous, so progressive.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Saddle Tramp View Post
        Open to Resource Extraction if you by that as good remember it in ten years when there's a big hole and bad water.
        There has not been a oil well drilled on that property in the last 34 years.

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          #34
          The people that manage the national forests in Texas(at least the Angelina NF) IMO would like to have more control over who accesses "their" land.

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            #35
            Sometimes it's better to come out and admit you made a mistake in a thread rather than sticking to your guns ( false assumptions ) and making things worse.

            What Trump did is a great thing, not a travesty

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              #36
              Patagonia has been going full retard the past couple years. Don’t buy anything from these idiots.

              Patagonia is a designer of outdoor clothing and gear for the silent sports: climbing, surfing, skiing and snowboarding, fly fishing, and trail running



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                #37
                Originally posted by Saddle Tramp View Post
                Open to Resource Extraction if you by that as good remember it in ten years when there's a big hole and bad water.
                Well don't stop there....go down to the 3rd talking point that you were given by the people that tell you how and what to think.
                I went to Utah earlier this year and attended a town hall and heard both sides of the argument. Here's how it went....

                For opening back up: Land can be used once again for fishing, camping, hunting and provide income/jobs via mineral extraction and so forth.

                Against opening back up: White people are bad and want to destroy and rape what rightfully belongs to the Native Americans. I would like to point out it was all white people giving this speech and no Native Americans taking this position.

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                  #38
                  Reducing federal outreach, and giving the appropriate agencies restored power over the land? How the eff can you oppose that?

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Man View Post
                    Well don't stop there....go down to the 3rd talking point that you were given by the people that tell you how and what to think.
                    I went to Utah earlier this year and attended a town hall and heard both sides of the argument. Here's how it went....

                    For opening back up: Land can be used once again for fishing, camping, hunting and provide income/jobs via mineral extraction and so forth.

                    Against opening back up: White people are bad and want to destroy and rape what rightfully belongs to the Native Americans. I would like to point out it was all white people giving this speech and no Native Americans taking this position.




                    Nailed it.

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                      #40
                      Trump did not put land back in control of the state. The lands in question were federal land before they were designated National Monuments. All Trump has done is remove the National Monument designation, the land will remain under Federal control.

                      National Monuments created under The Antiquities Act have to be created from Federal Lands.

                      " The Antiquities Act of 1906, (Pub.L. 59–209, 34 Stat. 225, 54 U.S.C. § 320301–320303), is an act passed by the United States Congress and signed into law by Theodore Roosevelt on June 8, 1906. This law gives the President of the United States the authority to, by presidential proclamation, create national monuments from federal lands to protect significant natural, cultural, or scientific features. The Act has been used more than a hundred times since its passage. Its use occasionally creates significant controversy."

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Phillip Fields View Post
                        Trump did not put land back in control of the state. The lands in question were federal land before they were designated National Monuments. All Trump has done is remove the National Monument designation, the land will remain under Federal control.



                        National Monuments created under The Antiquities Act have to be created from Federal Lands.



                        " The Antiquities Act of 1906, (Pub.L. 59–209, 34 Stat. 225, 54 U.S.C. § 320301–320303), is an act passed by the United States Congress and signed into law by Theodore Roosevelt on June 8, 1906. This law gives the President of the United States the authority to, by presidential proclamation, create national monuments from federal lands to protect significant natural, cultural, or scientific features. The Act has been used more than a hundred times since its passage. Its use occasionally creates significant controversy."


                        It is a good law if used as it was created, and it also states that these areas should be as small as possible to preserve the specific monument, not broadly claim millions of surrounding lands to set off limits to use. Obama abused this intentionally. Trump is fixing it.

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by Man View Post
                          Well don't stop there....go down to the 3rd talking point that you were given by the people that tell you how and what to think.

                          I went to Utah earlier this year and attended a town hall and heard both sides of the argument. Here's how it went....



                          For opening back up: Land can be used once again for fishing, camping, hunting and provide income/jobs via mineral extraction and so forth.



                          Against opening back up: White people are bad and want to destroy and rape what rightfully belongs to the Native Americans. I would like to point out it was all white people giving this speech and no Native Americans taking this position.


                          I saw the "protestors", all white, all from out of state, telling us that this is against the native Americans. One claimed its taking lands from them that have been theirs for 200 years. These particular lands haven't been native lands since 1850. And when one said natives will be banned form religious areas, it was pointed out that OBAMA shut down religious use of these lands. Trump is giving that access back. Then the story changed o trump destroying the environment.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Lostacresranch View Post
                            I saw the "protestors", all white, all from out of state, telling us that this is against the native Americans. One claimed its taking lands from them that have been theirs for 200 years. These particular lands haven't been native lands since 1850. And when one said natives will be banned form religious areas, it was pointed out that OBAMA shut down religious use of these lands. Trump is giving that access back. Then the story changed o trump destroying the environment.
                            I guess their white privilege gives them the ability to speak for any race or nationality without consent, approval or agreement from said mentioned race.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Man View Post
                              For opening back up: Land can be used once again for fishing, camping, hunting and provide income/jobs via mineral extraction and so forth.
                              A person could hunt these monuments prior to the re-designation yesterday...the land was basically treated like a Wilderness area. I would much prefer it stay a wilderness area rather than let cars an trucks and bikes in. More habitat that lazy American's refuse to walk to, and I can hunt.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by WItoTX View Post
                                I would much prefer it stay a wilderness area rather than let cars an trucks and bikes in. More habitat that lazy American's refuse to walk to, and I can hunt.
                                Okey Dokey

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