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Did I miss something in my WW II history regarding Hitler?
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Originally posted by WItoTX View PostI totally forgot Genghis Khan. Good call. He could be put at 1, 2, or 3.
I did actually. There is a theory about Khan that he had red hair and green eyes too, and was originally descended from western Europeans (Roman if I remember right). In fact, middle easterners you see with green eyes are considered most likely Khan descendants as well, or at least share Mongol blood.
I'm just amazed that the "older" ones did what they did. I mean they were on foot and horses, covering all of Europe and Asia. Modern era people like Hitler could get in a jet and fly across the country.
I think it was Khan also that wiped out so many people he changed the human populations carbon footprint for a long time period.
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Originally posted by Crazy Horse View PostNot sure how Hilter isn't #1....
1) Hitler
2) Stalin
3) Pol Pot
4) Ishii Shiro
The history of humankind is the history of conflict. I once heard that in a lecture and it stuck with me.
While all of those are truly atrocious, no single leader will equal Temujin (Genghis Khan) by the numbers. It is estimated that he is responsible for 40 million deaths. His campaigning changed the population of the planet, not just a country. It is said that one in 500 modern Chinese is a direct descendant of his. That is bananas when you think about it.
Timur Lenk (who I know very little about) is said to be responsible for 17-20 million deaths
All of WWII is estimated at 66 million dead
Stalin is credited with 20 million
Hitler 24 million dead
Back to the OP - if you want to show your kid a series of leaders that expanded an empire with minimal bloodshed, look at Persia. Sure there was conflict, but most folks found it more profitable to join up. Dan Carlin did a fantastic podcast on this called Kings of Kings.
"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices, have very few virtues" - Abraham Lincoln
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Originally posted by texan4ut View PostI had read an interesting article written by a Austrian citizen on how Hitler was able to take over their country without firing a shot. He simple led people to believe they would be much better off under Socialism. He promised many things free education, free food, better housing for free etc. then once he took control he began the slow destruction of the country my controlling what they read, mandatory service to the government etc. So in that regard yes he was a great leader just a very evil one.
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Originally posted by txhunter007 View PostI can almost see what the "not to be named adult" could have been trying to say. Hitler was fantastic for Germany (rebuilding) for a short while but was always a racist and a terrible person. He was Time Magazine's "Man of the Year" in 1938. He didnt get "mixed in with racists", he was the racist. He was also crazy and got even worse in the end. He was commanding ghost regiments and divisions against the russians just before he died. He did all sorts of nasty and horrible things. A Harry Potter movie quote might explain (not sure which movie), when the headmaster is refering to the main bad guy (voldermet or something?) "He did great things, but they were terrible". The guy was never a good or decent human.
But I always find it interesting that a lot of villains are modeled after Hitler, including Voldemort from the books. A half breed, that wanted the world to only contain pure breeds, etc.
And for the sanity of us all... OP, stop using the "not to be named adult" thing. Makes it painful to read. You could have just left it with "adult."
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Originally posted by Gummi Bear View PostThe history of humankind is the history of conflict. I once heard that in a lecture and it stuck with me.
While all of those are truly atrocious, no single leader will equal Temujin (Genghis Khan) by the numbers. It is estimated that he is responsible for 40 million deaths. His campaigning changed the population of the planet, not just a country. It is said that one in 500 modern Chinese is a direct descendant of his. That is bananas when you think about it.
Timur Lenk (who I know very little about) is said to be responsible for 17-20 million deaths
All of WWII is estimated at 66 million dead
Stalin is credited with 20 million
Hitler 24 million dead
Back to the OP - if you want to show your kid a series of leaders that expanded an empire with minimal bloodshed, look at Persia. Sure there was conflict, but most folks found it more profitable to join up. Dan Carlin did a fantastic podcast on this called Kings of Kings.
"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices, have very few virtues" - Abraham Lincoln
IMO, Hitler demanded and sought genocide, Khan didn't.
Khan was really no more or less "savage" than other great military leaders of his era through out the world; it was a barbaric world as a whole...Khan was just **** good at it...
Hitler committed his atrocities by managing to con civilized people into behaving like fanatical bloodthirsty barbarians.
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Originally posted by WItoTX View PostHe was a great leader.
He just awful values and beliefs. Look how many people he motivated to do unspeakable things.
This^^^^^
He drove the unemployment down to a record low for Germany. Although he did it by arresting and killing the "deplorables".
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He was a great motivator...leader...not so much... he motivated enough sheep to bully and raise fear of the other people into servicing his desires.. it snowballed and before long there was enough fear instilled that an entire country did his bidding with little resistance.
His 'leadership' tactics aren't new...been used before him, and well after him... Saddam followed his playbook almost to the T...
Dictators don't lead.. they threaten.
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