Did I miss something in my WW II history regarding Hitler?

[Clay C]

added one.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Clay C]

If you want to rank, you really have to decide on if your basing off of Body count, or motive/ideology. Otherwise there will be zero consensus.

[Flex]

I totally forgot Genghis Khan. Good call. He could be put at 1, 2, or 3.

I did actually. There is a theory about Khan that he had red hair and green eyes too, and was originally descended from western Europeans (Roman if I remember right). In fact, middle easterners you see with green eyes are considered most likely Khan descendants as well, or at least share Mongol blood.

Yep. Fascinating to read about him.

I'm just amazed that the "older" ones did what they did. I mean they were on foot and horses, covering all of Europe and Asia. Modern era people like Hitler could get in a jet and fly across the country.

I think it was Khan also that wiped out so many people he changed the human populations carbon footprint for a long time period.

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[mudcatz71]

I think Some of that is kinda true what the in named person Claims. Germany got the blame for WW1 and the whole world was letting Germany fail. He made Germany proud for a brief period. Some of his Generals were responsible for the worst crimes.

[Gummi Bear]

Not sure how Hilter isn't #1....



1) Hitler

2) Stalin

3) Pol Pot

4) Ishii Shiro

The history of humankind is the history of conflict. I once heard that in a lecture and it stuck with me.

While all of those are truly atrocious, no single leader will equal Temujin (Genghis Khan) by the numbers. It is estimated that he is responsible for 40 million deaths. His campaigning changed the population of the planet, not just a country. It is said that one in 500 modern Chinese is a direct descendant of his. That is bananas when you think about it.

Timur Lenk (who I know very little about) is said to be responsible for 17-20 million deaths

All of WWII is estimated at 66 million dead

Stalin is credited with 20 million

Hitler 24 million dead




Back to the OP - if you want to show your kid a series of leaders that expanded an empire with minimal bloodshed, look at Persia. Sure there was conflict, but most folks found it more profitable to join up. Dan Carlin did a fantastic podcast on this called Kings of Kings.


"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices, have very few virtues" - Abraham Lincoln

[Pkripper]

I had read an interesting article written by a Austrian citizen on how Hitler was able to take over their country without firing a shot. He simple led people to believe they would be much better off under Socialism. He promised many things free education, free food, better housing for free etc. then once he took control he began the slow destruction of the country my controlling what they read, mandatory service to the government etc. So in that regard yes he was a great leader just a very evil one.

That sounds vaguely familiar, where have I heard that before?

[SwampRabbit]

I can almost see what the "not to be named adult" could have been trying to say. Hitler was fantastic for Germany (rebuilding) for a short while but was always a racist and a terrible person. He was Time Magazine's "Man of the Year" in 1938. He didnt get "mixed in with racists", he was the racist. He was also crazy and got even worse in the end. He was commanding ghost regiments and divisions against the russians just before he died. He did all sorts of nasty and horrible things. A Harry Potter movie quote might explain (not sure which movie), when the headmaster is refering to the main bad guy (voldermet or something?) "He did great things, but they were terrible". The guy was never a good or decent human.

Actually, I think the quote comes from the Wand maker: " After all, He Who Must Not Be Named did great things – terrible, yes, but great"

But I always find it interesting that a lot of villains are modeled after Hitler, including Voldemort from the books. A half breed, that wanted the world to only contain pure breeds, etc.

And for the sanity of us all... OP, stop using the "not to be named adult" thing. Makes it painful to read. You could have just left it with "adult."

[Crazy Horse]

The history of humankind is the history of conflict. I once heard that in a lecture and it stuck with me.

While all of those are truly atrocious, no single leader will equal Temujin (Genghis Khan) by the numbers. It is estimated that he is responsible for 40 million deaths. His campaigning changed the population of the planet, not just a country. It is said that one in 500 modern Chinese is a direct descendant of his. That is bananas when you think about it.

Timur Lenk (who I know very little about) is said to be responsible for 17-20 million deaths

All of WWII is estimated at 66 million dead

Stalin is credited with 20 million

Hitler 24 million dead




Back to the OP - if you want to show your kid a series of leaders that expanded an empire with minimal bloodshed, look at Persia. Sure there was conflict, but most folks found it more profitable to join up. Dan Carlin did a fantastic podcast on this called Kings of Kings.


"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices, have very few virtues" - Abraham Lincoln

IMO, Hitler demanded and sought genocide, Khan didn't.

Khan was really no more or less "savage" than other great military leaders of his era through out the world; it was a barbaric world as a whole...Khan was just **** good at it...

Hitler committed his atrocities by managing to con civilized people into behaving like fanatical bloodthirsty barbarians.

[Gummi Bear]

I fully agree with that assessment


"It has been my experience that folks who have no vices, have very few virtues" - Abraham Lincoln

[grizzman]

My FIL was a German Fallshirmjager during WWII and had an interesting take on it. He always said at first, Hitler helped Germany regain his footing and come back economically but later Hitler went insane. His words, not mine.

[lodgepole]

He was a great leader.

He just awful values and beliefs. Look how many people he motivated to do unspeakable things.

This^^^^^


He drove the unemployment down to a record low for Germany. Although he did it by arresting and killing the "deplorables".


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[justincorbell]

Doesnt matter that he was a terrible human being. You cant argue the fact that he WAS a great leader.....he just led people to do horrible evil things.

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[flywise]

Is it really leadership if the people you lead, follow you only because they fear you will kill them if they dont?

[systemnt]

He was a great motivator...leader...not so much... he motivated enough sheep to bully and raise fear of the other people into servicing his desires.. it snowballed and before long there was enough fear instilled that an entire country did his bidding with little resistance.
His 'leadership' tactics aren't new...been used before him, and well after him... Saddam followed his playbook almost to the T...
Dictators don't lead.. they threaten.

[Landrover]

just be thankful you are a engaged father!!!! I would teach them what is correct and now they are armed to manage such a situation in the future!