GOP is keeping Obama care.....Job Security

[Charles]

Simple question. How is the ACA better than healthcare before ACA? Because more people who couldn't afford healthcare are now covered? Because previous conditions are now covered? Were people dying in the streets before ACA?

If people who were indigent were receiving healthcare, and the general public was picking up the bill, then why are the premiums and deductibles so much higher now? If free market insurance was costing the taxpayers too much, then why is ACA ACTUALLY costing the taxpayers more?

There is absolutely not one thing the government has EVER gotten involved in that has drove the cost down compared to a free competitive market. I challenge you to show me any different. Thinking that government being involved in the healthcare business is a good thing is just pure idiocy!

Very well said.

[texansfan]

Simple question. How is compulsory education better than education in the usa before compulsory education? Because more people who couldn't afford schooling are now educated? Because previous conditions are now covered? Were people deaf dumb or blind in the streets before compulsory education?!

Do you agree with free education for all from birth to adulthood?

[batmaninja]

The data is there for all to see.

Would this be the same data that said Donald J Trump had absolutely zero chance of being elected to the highest seat in the country?

Or. Is this "data" is coming out of the same wrinkly ol bovine **** cutter that stated Donald J Trump would not be POTUS.

[texansfan]

If people who were indigent were receiving healthcare, and the general public was picking up the bill, then why are the premiums and deductibles so much higher now? If free market insurance was costing the taxpayers too much, then why is ACA ACTUALLY costing the taxpayers more?

There is absolutely not one thing the government has EVER gotten involved in that has drove the cost down compared to a free competitive market. I challenge you to show me any different. Thinking that government being involved in the healthcare business is a good thing is just pure idiocy!

Who are the elected officials that represent you in Congress and Senate?
Call or email and ask them how they voted and why.

Ask them to break down the pros and cons of ACA in its current state and the two options GOP is proposing.

This is what they are elected and paid to do.
They have staff that are paid to research these things and give them insight on the situation.

I don't purely focus on the compliance or policy side but I'm deep enough in it to know how it will effect millions of people.

What qualifications do you have to speak on this subject?
You're spouting Fox News and Breitbart sound bites.
Do you have any hard core concrete numbers to back your claims?
Where did you get this data?

[AZST_bowhunter]

This is so sad.
The level of education of the average American voter is dismally low.
All this data at folks fingertips and no one cares to use it.
All anyone wants to do is go off pure emotion and conjecture.

The data is there for all to see.

The data is showing and telling you that Republican voters en masse don't want a full and complete repeal of Obamacare.

Why????

Because Republican voters (your and my neighbours) like their bit of govt welfare too.
But they don't want to admit it.

The sad thing is GOP don't want to admit that Obamacare is a great idea and that's why it can't totally be ripped to shreds.

The two plans that GOP presented only slightly altered the current Obamacare.
No one is proposing huge complete overhauls or a full on repeal.
Why is that?
Cause it's a darn good program and GOP constituents depend on Obamacare to stay alive.

No, not only democrats are poor and dependent on govt welfare.
Some tbh family members depend on these welfare programs too!


Please name some non career politicians.

I will agree with you that the idea of social healthcare is a good theory, is the ACA good? No. For a couple reasons, 1.) it forces people to get health insurance or pay a tax. I just simply don't agree with the government to force me to do anything. 2.) The ACA has created carrier monopolies in each state and in many counties, look at maricopa county Arizona, has one carrier and is the most populated county in Arizona. In fact, this year it is expected that 37 percent of the countries counties will only have one carrier, now you can either go with the monopoly company or pay a tax... (kaiser family foundation study).

I like the idea of an online exchange where different companies can compete for ones business. But, the website needs to be run by a private contractor and I truly feel that companies need to be able to sale throughout the country to make it truly competitive and more affordable. The fact is that it is now affordable. Take my company for example, 85% of our employees were on our insurance program, now its 25%(since ACA), all because our rates sky rocketed over the past 5 years.

Unfortunately we will never be able to go back to the government not controlling health care thanks to the socialist in this country. The populous has seen they can vote themselves benefits and wealth and they will continue to do so, it is the fall of all democracies. All that needs to be covered under the next bill is insurers must cover existing issues and companies can cover across the country. No tax or penalty, that is bull poop.

Oh, I'm an independent that identifies as a conservative

[Livin'2hunt]

This is so sad.
The level of education of the average American voter is dismally low.
All this data at folks fingertips and no one cares to use it.
All anyone wants to do is go off pure emotion and conjecture.

The data is there for all to see.

The data is showing and telling you that Republican voters en masse don't want a full and complete repeal of Obamacare.

Why????

Because Republican voters (your and my neighbours) like their bit of govt welfare too.
But they don't want to admit it.

The sad thing is GOP don't want to admit that Obamacare is a great idea and that's why it can't totally be ripped to shreds.

The two plans that GOP presented only slightly altered the current Obamacare.
No one is proposing huge complete overhauls or a full on repeal.
Why is that?
Cause it's a darn good program and GOP constituents depend on Obamacare to stay alive.

No, not only democrats are poor and dependent on govt welfare.
Some tbh family members depend on these welfare programs too!


Please name some non career politicians.

I am not sure what it is about me you cannot follow. I did NOT vote for Trump and I am no fanboy to any politician. I never claimed that there weren't so called Republicans that want O-care. I could put words in your mouth too but they probably won't fit.

Firstly, I am not a Republican so, I have no duty to defend their actions. Secondly, and AGAIN, because an elected official says it's good for the Country usually tells me it is not. The reason they don't repeal it is because they do not want to be on record as having voted to have stopped someone's cancer treatment, etc. That and most profit from it in some way. Just like you. You make money from it so, you're good with it. What about me and my freedom? Did that ever cross your mind? Lastly, the name of a politician is not what I consider when reviewing their policy ideas. Their overall mind set, principled stance and willingness to do what is best for the Country (i.e. Term Limits) at the detriment of their own career. Sadly, I cannot name five but I can give you four in no particular order:

Rand Paul
Louis Gomert
Ted Cruz
Mike Lee

Put principled people like these in charge for one term, you will swiftly learn who the sell-out hacks are. What someone on TBH claims to be means less than squat to me. Hell, that poaching thread yesterday reminded me of that. You want to pigeonhole people and put them into this category or that. Just remember, not everyone is a monolithic mouth breather. Some of us can think and function for ourselves and we don't need you or the Gubmint to care for us.

[Ætheling]

I am not sure what it is about me you cannot follow. I did NOT vote for Trump and I am no fanboy to any politician. I never claimed that there weren't so called Republicans that want O-care. I could put words in your mouth too but they probably won't fit.

Firstly, I am not a Republican so, I have no duty to defend their actions. Secondly, and AGAIN, because an elected official says it's good for the Country usually tells me it is not. The reason they don't repeal it is because they do not want to be on record as having voted to have stopped someone's cancer treatment, etc. That and most profit from it in some way. Just like you. You make money from it so, you're good with it. What about me and my freedom? Did that ever cross your mind? Lastly, the name of a politician is not what I consider when reviewing their policy ideas. Their overall mind set, principled stance and willingness to do what is best for the Country (i.e. Term Limits) at the detriment of their own career. Sadly, I cannot name five but I can give you four in no particular order:

Randy Paul
Louis Gomert
Ted Cruz
Mike Lee

Put principled people like these in charge for one term, you will swiftly learn who the sell-out hacks are. What someone on TBH claims to be means less than squat to me. Hell, that poaching thread yesterday reminded me of that. You want to pigeonhole people and put them into this category or that. Just remember, not everyone is a monolithic mouth breather. Some of us can think and function for ourselves and we don't need you or the Gubmint to care for us.

[Livin'2hunt]

And, don't forget, I also stated if we didn't have to care for 75% of the entire World, we could have a different conversation on this matter. But, stomping out foreign aid like a flaming poop-filled sack would be CRAAAAAZY, right?

[160class]

I am not sure what it is about me you cannot follow. I did NOT vote for Trump and I am no fanboy to any politician. I never claimed that there weren't so called Republicans that want O-care. I could put words in your mouth too but they probably won't fit.

Firstly, I am not a Republican so, I have no duty to defend their actions. Secondly, and AGAIN, because an elected official says it's good for the Country usually tells me it is not. The reason they don't repeal it is because they do not want to be on record as having voted to have stopped someone's cancer treatment, etc. That and most profit from it in some way. Just like you. You make money from it so, you're good with it. What about me and my freedom? Did that ever cross your mind? Lastly, the name of a politician is not what I consider when reviewing their policy ideas. Their overall mind set, principled stance and willingness to do what is best for the Country (i.e. Term Limits) at the detriment of their own career. Sadly, I cannot name five but I can give you four in no particular order:

Randy Paul
Louis Gomert
Ted Cruz
Mike Lee

Put principled people like these in charge for one term, you will swiftly learn who the sell-out hacks are. What someone on TBH claims to be means less than squat to me. Hell, that poaching thread yesterday reminded me of that. You want to pigeonhole people and put them into this category or that. Just remember, not everyone is a monolithic mouth breather. Some of us can think and function for ourselves and we don't need you or the Gubmint to care for us.

He won't be back for a couple weeks and start a different discussion since you just answered all his questions, or if he does it will be some dumb questions since he won't answer anybody else's questions.

Who knows maybe he will surprise me

[Livin'2hunt]

Who are the elected officials that represent you in Congress and Senate?
Call or email and ask them how they voted and why.

Ask them to break down the pros and cons of ACA in its current state and the two options GOP is proposing.

This is what they are elected and paid to do.
They have staff that are paid to research these things and give them insight on the situation.

I don't purely focus on the compliance or policy side but I'm deep enough in it to know how it will effect millions of people.

What qualifications do you have to speak on this subject?
You're spouting Fox News and Breitbart sound bites.
Do you have any hard core concrete numbers to back your claims?
Where did you get this data?

160 Class, I missed one. Ironman must be tied up because he'd be on this like morons at a Bernie rally.

Texansfan, you asked what qualifications does he have. All it takes is a pulse and brain waves to make the assessment. You admitted yourself that you "don't get deep into policy but can see it affects millions of people." What about the millions that O-care screwed over so others can prosper? It's a Robin Hood scheme designed to take from the middle class and give MORE to the poor than they already receive. So, where's all the money going? Good question, right?! It's a shell game except there's no pea under the shells. You said he is "jaded" and cannot comprehend...what about you (and, the word you're searching for is biased). How much have you benefited from O-care since its inception? Who's biased now?

[Ironman]

Texansfan, all you ever do is deflect and answer questions with other, sometimes irrelevant, questions. I asked you a simple question. Still awaiting your answer.

[Landrover]

Just catching up to this. Guess it always has to get personal for some folks but not focus on what truly is going amiss with our nation.

Maybe Rush Limbaugh can help you understand my point about Ted Cruz...


"Can somebody point to me the conservative on the ballot?" Limbaugh asked on his radio show, according to a transcript posted to his official website. "'What do you mean, Rush? Are you admitting Trump is not a conservative?' **** right I am!"

He continued: "Folks, when did I ever say that he was? Look, I don't know how to tell you this. Conservatism lost, in the primary, if that's how you want to look at it. We had [Ted] Cruz; we had [Marco] Rubio."

Limbaugh said that he still wanted to see an authentic conservative win the Republican nomination for president and ultimately the White House.

"I wish it would happen," he said. "I've wished it would happen for 25 years."

The radio talk show host concluded his segment: "I wish conservatism was on the ballot."

When I heard that, it was very revealing and confirmed what many were saying around the nation........including myself. Trump is a place-holder for the office......not a bad thing - but not what we need! If we get a few positive changes I will be happy. If we can stay out of a disastrous global conflict I will be thrilled. If citizens can all come to a point to understand that we are in a bad political place for 25 years I will be on cloud nine!

I suggested that the 72% of Americans who disagree with you are the reason a Senate majority to completely repeal Obamacare isn't going to happen no matter how much or how loud you rant.

Yessir! I dislike the ACA for multiple reasons but you nailed it to the wall. Senators will FOLLOW what their constituents demand........period! When West Virginia, Ohio, Kentucky, and Indiana are clamoring to keep ACA that is incredibly telling! The rural dwelling folks of the Midwest are NOT the working poor most like to stereotype when it comes to these divisive issues......and that is a problem!!!

You're making this about dems and repubs but you're so jaded you can't see that repubs run everything now so it could easily be repealed if GOP wanted it to.
And not only that but the GOP voting brethren ask over the country don't want Obamacare repealed because they too will lose their free govt handouts.

It's not only democrats that want and like govt freebies.
Read some posts on tbh and you'll see some folk that post on here that swear they hate govt freebies get the freebies themselves or their family members benefit from these govt welfare programs.

How can you pay $150k per year in taxes but your family member has to have an Obama phone is beyond me.
I think Obama phones has like ten mins of talk time and maybe 50 free texts per month.

Some things just don't add up.

A lot of things don't add up. Folks are arguing two sides of the same coin but cant see the fix is in on ALL American citizens...........from both sides. If a few individuals do see it for what it truly is the mis-step is to believe that our president can solve it. Yes, if they wanted to repeal this non-sense it could have happened on day one.

I did NOT vote for Trump and I am no fanboy to any politician. Firstly, I am not a Republican so, I have no duty to defend their actions. Secondly, and AGAIN, because an elected official says it's good for the Country usually tells me it is not. The reason they don't repeal it is because they do not want to be on record as having voted to have stopped someone's cancer treatment, etc. That and most profit from it in some way. Rand Paul
Louis Gomert
Ted Cruz
Mike Lee

Put principled people like these in charge for one term, you will swiftly learn who the sell-out hacks are. What someone on TBH claims to be means less than squat to me. Just remember, not everyone is a monolithic mouth breather. Some of us can think and function for ourselves and we don't need you or the Gubmint to care for us.

Well heck, this cant fly on TBH. I could not agree more. The mass majority of them SUCK to high heaven...(that comes from 21 years of going on hill visits).....but if they claim (choice of party) they walk on water per our citizens........"COME ON MAN" that is shameful!!! The choices for our presidency sucked but the will of the masses (people that voted) prevailed........that is how it should be based on OUR constitution!! The 4 you listed are considered fringe these days but that is what a constitutionalist looks like in the 21st Century. Sorry to the folks that "yell and scream" about our damaged constitution but don't want the folks that believe in it to run the show.....lmao......just a bunch of dysfunctional whiners that really want the government to help them but NOT the other guy/gal!!! Comparing our tax payer funds going to the poor versus going to the "well to do" is kinda sobering........but it is the real story!

And, don't forget, I also stated if we didn't have to care for 75% of the entire World, we could have a different conversation on this matter.

Less than 2% of our total budget is for foreign aid. Many believe it is north of 20%. Is 2% a lot of dang money, YES IT IS. Does some of that get mis-used.......YES IT DOES. Is it a way to assist with hail holes around the world and keep folks from our shores.......YES! Thus it is NOT the elephant in the room.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/201974-the-top-myths-about-us-foreign-aid

[texansfan]

I will agree with you that the idea of social healthcare is a good theory, is the ACA good? No. For a couple reasons, 1.) it forces people to get health insurance or pay a tax. I just simply don't agree with the government to force me to do anything. 2.) The ACA has created carrier monopolies in each state and in many counties, look at maricopa county Arizona, has one carrier and is the most populated county in Arizona. In fact, this year it is expected that 37 percent of the countries counties will only have one carrier, now you can either go with the monopoly company or pay a tax... (kaiser family foundation study).

I like the idea of an online exchange where different companies can compete for ones business. But, the website needs to be run by a private contractor and I truly feel that companies need to be able to sale throughout the country to make it truly competitive and more affordable. The fact is that it is now affordable. Take my company for example, 85% of our employees were on our insurance program, now its 25%(since ACA), all because our rates sky rocketed over the past 5 years.

Unfortunately we will never be able to go back to the government not controlling health care thanks to the socialist in this country. The populous has seen they can vote themselves benefits and wealth and they will continue to do so, it is the fall of all democracies. All that needs to be covered under the next bill is insurers must cover existing issues and companies can cover across the country. No tax or penalty, that is bull poop.

Oh, I'm an independent that identifies as a conservative

You're forced to pay to educate children of those who earn zero dollars per year.
Do you hate funding your local ISD as well?

Wnt not let the kids be dumb as rocks if their parents don't care enough to teach them RRR or the parent don't want to pay for them kids learning.

I think at a minimum every human being should be able to read, write and do long division as well as not to love with a medical or physical ailment.

Is that too much to provide your neighbor?

[Livin'2hunt]

You're forced to pay to educate children of those who earn zero dollars per year.
Do you hate funding your local ISD as well?

Wnt not let the kids be dumb as rocks if their parents don't care enough to teach them RRR or the parent don't want to pay for them kids learning.

I think at a minimum every human being should be able to read, write and do long division as well as not to love with a medical or physical ailment.

Is that too much to provide your neighbor?

Troll.

[texansfan]

Troll.

I get called names because I don't want my neighbor to die of prostate cancer if he can't afford treatment.

LoL

A guy on here said his mom ... nevermind.

I'm a troll.