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Originally posted by texansfan View PostSame way education is.
Why is it a "right" for kids to learn about ancient Egypt but not for adults to be cured from pancreatic cancer?
M-A-N-D-A-T-E-D. There is a distinct difference. I will ask again for you to show me in our founding documents where education is a Right. Show it to me. I know you won't because you can't.
But why stop there? Let's do free housing and free cars and free vacation homes. Hell, let's use France as the model and go to the 30 hour work week. That's TRUE utopia, right?
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Originally posted by texansfan View PostRemove the dems from this
They have nothing to do with this now
When republicans run the house and Senate and can't agree on the issue now what do you have to say????
This is not about party affiliation so why make it out to be?
I'm not making it about Party affiliation and you still won't address my points.
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Originally posted by Livin'2hunt View PostAGAIN, Medicaid covers that. If parents refuse to care for their kids with provided health care, jail the parents for neglect. Nonetheless, what you're calling for is redundancy.
Why not?
You really want folks to die because they can't afford diabetes medication?
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Originally posted by texansfan View PostSame way education is.
Why is it a "right" for kids to learn about ancient Egypt but not for adults to be cured from pancreatic cancer?
Wait, there is a CURE for pancreatic cancer?!? Or did somebody not exercise their right to enough education
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Originally posted by texansfan View PostI'm calling for a 26year old and a 46 year old top get the same basic health coverage as a 6year old
Why not?
You really want folks to die because they can't afford diabetes medication?
Wisdom.
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Originally posted by texansfan View PostI'm calling for a 26year old and a 46 year old top get the same basic health coverage as a 6year old
Why not?
You really want folks to die because they can't afford diabetes medication?
Seriously, when is the last time you helped anyone else by taking your own money, from your own account or pocket, and used it to help another individual? When is the last time you gave to an organization, charity, church, etc, that collects money for the sole purpose of helping someone in need? When is the last time you've done anything generous on your own? That's an honest, sincere question, to which I genuinely want to know the answer.
If you have done that, then good. That's excellent and I applaud your generosity. More people should do that. However, to force anyone to do that under compulsion from forces outside their own convictions is theft. I've got plenty of medical bills sitting in from of me right now, amounting to tens of thousands of dollars. If I force you to pay for my medical bills, then that is me taking money from you by force. That is theft. However, if instead, I use the government to force you to pay a tax to them and then through some convoluted system of government accounting, they pay for it, we call that fair taxation. How is it any different?
Charity and generosity done out of a joyful heart is a wonderful thing that produces benefits beyond monetary value. It produces love and good will which in turn produces more generosity, a sense of "paying it forward." But charity and generosity that is forced produces anger, ill-will, jealousy and division.
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Originally posted by texansfan View PostRemove the dems from this
They have nothing to do with this now
When republicans run the house and Senate and can't agree on the issue now what do you have to say????
This is not about party affiliation so why make it out to be?
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When the Dems start running around the country next year spouting off how they back insurance for everyone (notice I didn't say "free") then I want them to be confronted with explaining how it is to be paid for. Like Andrew Wilkow says, the government doesn't give anything to anyone that they haven't taken from someone else. What are the liberals going to do when they run out of OPM. Oh, not to criticize John McCain, but did Obamacare take care of his trip to the Mayo Clinic? Let me know when I can go to the Mayo Clinic for care.
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Originally posted by texansfan View PostI'm calling for a 26year old and a 46 year old top get the same basic health coverage as a 6year old
Why not?
You really want folks to die because they can't afford diabetes medication?
That was rhetorical. You cannot answer them because your "compassion" argument goes out the window.
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Originally posted by texansfan View PostSame way education is.
Why is it a "right" for kids to learn about ancient Egypt but not for adults to be cured from pancreatic cancer?
Furthermore, we have other rights that are written out in the Constitution, the right to bear arms, for example. By your logic, there should be a nationwide firearms program whereby every person should have easy and affordable access to guns and ammunition, and if they can't afford it, there should be a government program where they can get the cost of their guns and ammunition subsidized. The government would set the price that manufacturers and stores could charge for guns and ammunition so that it's fair for everyone who wants one.
Beyond that, EVERYONE is going to die. There is a 100% chance of it. Some of us are fortunate (or unfortunate - depending on your view of the subject) to live longer than others. Even the richest among us die "prematurely" from time to time, even though they have the money to pay the best doctors in the world. It's inevitable. We'll all die. For some it will be Pancreatic Cancer. For others, it will be a drunk driver, a skiing accident, or an accidental drowning. You cannot stop nature from taking it's course. It's going to happen.
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Education was mandated in order to have a population that could live a life of self sustainability, and be a productive part of the country. That has changed quite a bit since the 70's or mainly the 90's. I dont have a problem with mandated education because in the long run it produced the greatest country the world has ever known.
For the most part, no one in this country is poor.
Of those that are on the lower end of income.....most choose to be either by choosing dope or alcahol over quality work and pay or they are generational gov. Slaves so they do have to work. A very small % of our society are on the bottom due to health problems or no work available. And, what ever happened to people taking care of their own family? I dont care what my mother or how much it cost me, ill do what ever it takes to pay for it. I will not ask my neighbors to provide for her.
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Originally posted by GarGuy View PostThe basis of this thread is the fact that the Dems are gaining momentum to run on a single payer platform. You have gone a dozen directions but that is what i am talking about. Talking about the Dem platform..
Because your head is stuck in the sand
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