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    Originally posted by Texas Tracker View Post
    Well in the autopsy reports the word 'Downwards" come in play a lot.
    Boyett, 44, of Waco, was shot twice in the head and once in the abdomen. Both bullets to his head — one from the top and one from behind
    Campbell, 43, of Fort Worth, was shot once in the head, with the bullet entering through his chin, exiting and then re-entering through his neck.
    Jordan, 31, of Pasadena, suffered one gunshot wound to the head. The bullet traveled from back to front, slightly left to right and slightly downward.
    The bullet traveled from back to front and downward. The bullet that struck his right thigh traveled downward, slightly left to right and slightly back to front. Fragments of a jacketed bullet were recovered from his thigh.
    Rhyne, 39, of Ranger, suffered a gunshot wound to the left side of the neck that partially exited through his upper back and a gunshot wound to the lower abdomen, in addition to abrasions on his right hand.
    Rodriguez, 65, of New Braunfels, was shot in the head and in the back. The projectile that was recovered on the left side of his head was not described in the report. The bullet went from front to back and slightly downward.

    These bikers must be real tall all over 8 feet to shoot each other with a downward angle like that. Come on now you still think the police did not shoot these guys?
    Exactly.

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      Originally posted by Texas Tracker View Post
      Well in the autopsy reports the word 'Downwards" come in play a lot.
      Boyett, 44, of Waco, was shot twice in the head and once in the abdomen. Both bullets to his head — one from the top and one from behind
      Campbell, 43, of Fort Worth, was shot once in the head, with the bullet entering through his chin, exiting and then re-entering through his neck.
      Jordan, 31, of Pasadena, suffered one gunshot wound to the head. The bullet traveled from back to front, slightly left to right and slightly downward.
      The bullet traveled from back to front and downward. The bullet that struck his right thigh traveled downward, slightly left to right and slightly back to front. Fragments of a jacketed bullet were recovered from his thigh.
      Rhyne, 39, of Ranger, suffered a gunshot wound to the left side of the neck that partially exited through his upper back and a gunshot wound to the lower abdomen, in addition to abrasions on his right hand.
      Rodriguez, 65, of New Braunfels, was shot in the head and in the back. The projectile that was recovered on the left side of his head was not described in the report. The bullet went from front to back and slightly downward.

      These bikers must be real tall all over 8 feet to shoot each other with a downward angle like that. Come on now you still think the police did not shoot these guys?
      I haven't kept up with all of this but are there some saying the police missed with every shot they took? Isn't it a given the police shot some guys that day?

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        Here's a thought. Watch the shooting video again. Most everyone is leaned forward running or crouching down that can most definitely lend a factor as to bullet trajectory... next conspiracy theory argument. Don't lose sight of the facts that lead to this. Bandidos, Cossacks and their support groups(Latin Steel, Companeros, Gyspies, Scimitars, Trusted Few) were flexing their muscles at each other as a turf war has been brewing for a long while. It all came to a head on this fateful day. Unfortunately society today lends more credibility to the "exception to the rule theory" instead of the reality in relying on the highest percentage odd that the victims/suspects actually were the ones responsible for what happened. Alas, everyone is a victim these days and the media are the ones fueling the fire by giving people their 30 seconds of victim filled stardom.

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          I think it's pretty obvious the situation was not handled properly at the scene.

          I also think it's pretty obvious that some Bikers did some bad things.

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            According to witness reports, two bikers were shot in the head while laying on the ground - by other bikers . (might explain angle of wound channel) Have you guys read reports from the court testimony? I understand this won't sway anyone who doesn't believe what the cops say, but here's an example:
            (from testimony October 24 2017)

            In other testimony Tuesday, Waco police Officer Michael Bucher, a 13-year veteran and SWAT team member, said he and fellow SWAT team member Heath Jackson were riding together that day and were discussing what they would do if a fight broke out. During their discussion, Bucher saw a punch thrown from the area outside the patio, he said.

            He said both officers got out with the intent to deploy tear gas when the first shot rang out, followed by a barrage that lasted several minutes.

            Bucher, an Army veteran who served in Iraq and is familiar with combat scenes, took cover behind the door of his SUV while a round struck the top of the door Jackson was exiting. Jackson testified Monday that he shot four bikers who were pointing guns at the officers or other bikers.

            Bucher said he could hear rounds flying over their heads as he scanned the crowd through the scope of his rifle. He said he saw a man with a gun and fired. He said he next saw a man swinging a large chain and shot him. Next, he shot a man with a gun in the center of the crowd, he said.

            So those two officers shot 7 bikers
            Last edited by jerp; 02-13-2018, 01:16 PM.

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              Originally posted by WTJim View Post
              Here's a thought. Watch the shooting video again. Most everyone is leaned forward running or crouching down that can most definitely lend a factor as to bullet trajectory... next conspiracy theory argument. Don't lose sight of the facts that lead to this. Bandidos, Cossacks and their support groups(Latin Steel, Companeros, Gyspies, Scimitars, Trusted Few) were flexing their muscles at each other as a turf war has been brewing for a long while. It all came to a head on this fateful day. Unfortunately society today lends more credibility to the "exception to the rule theory" instead of the reality in relying on the highest percentage odd that the victims/suspects actually were the ones responsible for what happened. Alas, everyone is a victim these days and the media are the ones fueling the fire by giving people their 30 seconds of victim filled stardom.
              No,no,no....you cant put common sense into this.

              [insert sarcastic voice] Downward angle must mean shot from an elevated position. There is simply no other way

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                I would hope that the Officers on scene did shoot anyone that was a threat to others. It is kinda what they are paid to do. Just think if they would have just sat back and watched and not taken control of the situation.
                take this for what it is worth- If Police are on scene and you have a concealed carry- Don't pull it out.
                If Police tell you to stop- stop whatever it is you are doing.

                follow these simple common sense rules when you encounter LE and I would imagine you will stay on the green side of the grass longer.

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                  Originally posted by WTJim View Post
                  were flexing their muscles at each other as a turf war has been brewing for a long while.
                  I dont disagree with anything that you state. But you are leaving out one of the biggest flexers in this mess. The cops. They had told the bikers that Waco wasn't the town for their town hall meetings. And encouraged them to move it down the road.

                  When they didnt move the meeting, the cops put snipers on the rooftop of a Strip Mall.

                  Then arrested nearly everyone there.

                  So yea, there was some muscles being flexed that day.

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                    All I know is, a shooting was scheduled and a meeting broke out. It was crazy!

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                      Just curious, how many were there or truly first hand know someone that was there? Or are a lot of these just well guessed guesses lol

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                        Originally posted by shunter14 View Post
                        Just curious, how many were there or truly first hand know someone that was there? Or are a lot of these just well guessed guesses lol

                        All guesses except the very very very few stated Facts..

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                          Originally posted by Tuffbroadhead View Post
                          All guesses except the very very very few stated Facts..
                          Figured as much lol. I knew one of the names on the deceased list very well, and had a handful of very close friends involved in this cluster mess for lack of better words. Was just curious who all had some true first hand intel.

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                            Originally posted by shunter14 View Post
                            Just curious, how many were there or truly first hand know someone that was there? Or are a lot of these just well guessed guesses lol
                            I know people on all three sides.

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                              Originally posted by batmaninja View Post
                              I dont disagree with anything that you state. But you are leaving out one of the biggest flexers in this mess. The cops. They had told the bikers that Waco wasn't the town for their town hall meetings. And encouraged them to move it down the road.

                              When they didnt move the meeting, the cops put snipers on the rooftop of a Strip Mall.

                              Then arrested nearly everyone there.

                              So yea, there was some muscles being flexed that day.
                              The the Police did exactly what you and I pay them to do. Tell obvious and known criminal element to move on down the road or face the consequences. I completely agree with you.

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                                Question for some of you guys: If LE was there and did nothing and we had 20 laying dead now would you be happy with the results? What should they have done. Your opinions?

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