Originally posted by Tony Pic
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Okay, I was reading and replying to these posts in the order they were posted rather than reading to the end.
As said, Rodriguez did change things, but was only a short time ago. Those of us in LE keep up with case law. Those of us in K9 keep up with K9 case law (ever heard of Terry Fleck?). You said you found out about Rodriguez because you have family in LE- perfect example!!! Your family keeps up with case law!!! The story told about waiting 30 minutes for a dog- any idea what year that occurred? Any idea if the officers had developed RS prior to calling for a dog? Do you know alot more about the story than what was told? If no on the above questions your conclusion (rights violated) is inconclusive and very possibly wrong.
While typing this you posted above....thanks for the support and I hope your family stays safe. I enjoy these discussions because there's so many outhouse lawyers....some on this thread....spreading false info. That false info spreads....and I have to deal with it on the street.Last edited by flyby; 05-16-2018, 09:45 AM.
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Originally posted by Tony Pic View PostRetracted because of time line You are correct.
Thank you for all you do. Seriously. Don't know how you cops do it with all the outhouse lawyers. I'm from a family full of LEO, from Feds to local PD. I have learned a lot just sitting at the table listening. I hope some walk away from this thread with correct knowledge of the topic and continue being useful, productive members of society.
Be safe Flyby and all LE.
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Originally posted by CrookedArrow View PostOk I will play. What about an open air search with a K-9?Originally posted by flyby View PostOkay, I was reading and replying to these posts in the order they were posted rather than reading to the end.
As said, Rodriguez did change things, but was only a short time ago. Those of us in LE keep up with case law. Those of us in K9 keep up with K9 case law (ever heard of Terry Fleck?). You said you found out about Rodriguez because you have family in LE- perfect example!!! Your family keeps up with case law!!! The story told about waiting 30 minutes for a dog- any idea what year that occurred? Any idea if the officers had developed RS prior to calling for a dog? Do you know alot more about the story than what was told? If no on the above questions your conclusion (rights violated) is inconclusive and very possibly wrong.
While typing this you posted above....thanks for the support and I hope your family stays safe. I enjoy these discussions because there's so many outhouse lawyers....some on this thread....spreading false info. That false info spreads....and I have to deal with it on the street.
Whats the latest on free air sniffs of homes? Our guys are no longer allowed to use them. Figured something happened. I left patrol 6 years ago and havnt kept up with it.
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Originally posted by CrookedArrow View Postbukkskins thread got this one rolling. I am not giving my input just yet. Curious to see what yall have to say in reference to a search of your vehicle.
Some of you seem to know a bit more then others. One hint. Operating a motor vehicle in Texas or this Country is a privilege not a right. Hope that helps.
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Originally posted by J Sweet View PostI hate that phrase. Driving my car is a right not a privilege. A free democratic govt/society does not afford privileges or rights. Our rights are guaranteed in the constitution as negative rights. "The govt shall not" not "The govt shall". Now it is a right that like most has been infringed upon through licensing and taxation by our ****hole govt but a privilege it is not. The thought process that the govt "allows" us to do something ****** me off so bad, makes me want to go all braveheart and ****
Show me where in The Constitution or the The Bill of Rights you are afforded the "right" to operate a motor vehicle on a public road (paid for by the people). The government has the right to appropriate taxes and build those roads, the government also has the right to regulate those roads.
Show me a court case that says requiring a driver's license to operate on public roadways is unconstitutional.
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Originally posted by J Sweet View PostI hate that phrase. Driving my car is a right not a privilege. A free democratic govt/society does not afford privileges or rights. Our rights are guaranteed in the constitution as negative rights. "The govt shall not" not "The govt shall". Now it is a right that like most has been infringed upon through licensing and taxation by our ****hole govt but a privilege it is not. The thought process that the govt "allows" us to do something ****** me off so bad, makes me want to go all braveheart and ****
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Originally posted by Hamshire View PostBecause I use Ozonics, they have yet to find any of my cocaine and it's literally out in the open. Thanks, Ozonics!
I know, you were being funny. Just letting you know we know these tricks and how to work around them. :-}
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Originally posted by flyby View PostShow me where in The Constitution or the The Bill of Rights you are afforded the "right" to operate a motor vehicle on a public road (paid for by the people).
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Originally posted by Duckologist View PostThe Constitution and/or bill of rights doesn't afford us any rights. It guarantees our already God given rights.
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Originally posted by flyby View PostTechnically, it protects the rights the founders believed to be God given rights.....so we agree mostly. God didn't list the rights given in the Bill of Rights....or not all specifically. Yes, we are on the same page, my wording wasn't correct. Still, nothing in the Bill of Rights, or the Bible, that gives anyone the "Right" to drive on public roadways.
On the dog subject. I refuse a search so the officer brings out Fido. What's to stop the officer from just sayin the dog alerted, even though he didn't, and getting his way into my truck anyway? The officer already wants to search because he asked, I said no so therefore the officer thinks I have something to hide so of course, the dog alerted!!
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