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TexanDuke 11-13-2018 04:50 PM

Pros and Cons of Muzzle Brake on Hunting Rifle
 
Gentlemen,

Have a threaded barrel on a 308 of mine and wanted to get some feed back on muzzle brakes for hunting rifle applications

TXBRASS 11-13-2018 04:54 PM

I shoot and hunt with Specialty Pistols 100% now and the brakes are necessary to tame recoil for the handguns. Only downside is that hearing protection is a MUST with a brake and especially with a 13" barrel and rifle cartridge. I have sets of earplugs in all my packs, scabbards, backpack, and coat pockets and have never missed a shot because I had to first put plugs in. So, that being said, I see no negative impact unless you squeeze a shot off without your plugs in.

Mexico 11-13-2018 04:56 PM

Brake= Loud as he11, less recoil
No Brake = not as loud, more recoil

TexanDuke 11-13-2018 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TXBRASS (Post 13783806)
I shoot and hunt with Specialty Pistols 100% now and the brakes are necessary to tame recoil for the handguns. Only downside is that hearing protection is a MUST with a brake and especially with a 13" barrel and rifle cartridge. I have sets of earplugs in all my packs, scabbards, backpack, and coat pockets and have never missed a shot because I had to first put plugs in. So, that being said, I see no negative impact unless you squeeze a shot off without your plugs in.

So the blast literally makes plugs mandatory?

from a 20 inch barrel would you take a shot if required without plugs in?

TexanDuke 11-13-2018 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mexico (Post 13783818)
Brake= Loud as he11, less kick
No Brake = not as loud, more kick

Is the recoil reduction significant??

Mexico 11-13-2018 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanDuke (Post 13783845)
Is the recoil reduction significant??

Absolutely. My .300 shoots like .243 or so..

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TXBRASS 11-13-2018 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanDuke (Post 13783838)
So the blast literally makes plugs mandatory?



from a 20 inch barrel would you take a shot if required without plugs in?



Yes....mandatory for ear health.

I would NEVER take a shot with a brake without plugs. Iím a firearms instructor and have been for years. My hearing has suffered from bad decisions in my past choosing not to put in ear plugs. Never again for me. One of those things u canít get back once itís gone.


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TXBRASS 11-13-2018 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanDuke (Post 13783845)
Is the recoil reduction significant??



Depends on the brake design, but yes....can be very.

I shoot a very hot 45-70 Govt round with one hand (from bipod) and use a rifle scope and can do it without getting kissed by the eye piece.


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TexanDuke 11-13-2018 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TXBRASS (Post 13783852)
Yes....mandatory for ear health.

I would NEVER take a shot with a brake without plugs. Iím a firearms instructor and have been for years. My hearing has suffered from bad decisions in my past choosing not to put in ear plugs. Never again for me. One of those things u canít get back once itís gone.


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Understood... Just checked out W-Gear, cool products. Definitely going to have to pick up a rifle pillow

TexanDuke 11-13-2018 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TXBRASS (Post 13783860)
Depends on the brake design, but yes....can be very.

I shoot a very hot 45-70 Govt round with one hand (from bipod) and use a rifle scope and can do it without getting kissed by the eye piece.


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Is there a certain design I should be looking for?

Sorry for all the questions but my knowledge on the topic is baseline at best

TXBRASS 11-13-2018 05:09 PM

In my opinion, a large side discharge brake is most efficient. The APA Fatbas-tard is what I use.

TXBRASS 11-13-2018 05:10 PM

https://youtu.be/wvGvomIk2dk

TexanDuke 11-13-2018 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TXBRASS (Post 13783880)

Its wild to see the blast from that in slow mo

TXBRASS 11-13-2018 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanDuke (Post 13783888)
Its wild to see the blast from that in slow mo

It releases some serious pressure....

justindiehl7 11-13-2018 05:29 PM

Pros and Cons of Muzzle Brake on Hunting Rifle
 
Pros- reduces recoil, and looks good depending on brake

Cons- extremely loud, wear ear plugs!


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hereís mine on my 6.5, it helps a ton!

SmTx 11-13-2018 05:33 PM

On a .308 hunting rifle unless you're 100lbs soaking wet or the rifle is 5lbs I would not do it.

TXBRASS 11-13-2018 05:34 PM

All APA brakes:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b0c40c4866.jpg

Top one is the .45-70 and bottom 2 are .308's

rvd 11-13-2018 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mexico (Post 13783818)
Brake= Loud as he11, less recoil
No Brake = not as loud, more recoil

This, pick your poison.

gatorgrizz27 11-13-2018 05:39 PM

People argue about brakes as much as they do about football teams. There’s no reason to run it with or without 100% of the time, they go on and off in 10 seconds.

Use it when you’re sighting in, practicing, or with a kid in a box blind. Wear ear pro. It will keep you from flinching and allow you to become a better shooter.

Take it off when you hunt in the field. You don’t have to worry about the muzzle blast and you’ll never notice the increased recoil with an animal in your sights. Most brakes have zero POI shift.

sendit 11-13-2018 05:48 PM

All muzzle brakes do is to redirect the high pressure gas coming out of the muzzle when a shot is fired.

Without a brake of some sort you have high pressure/heat hitting atmosphere. Like a small jet it pushes the muzzle back towards the shooter at a high rate....thatís recoil. The sound is somewhat directed away from you.

With a brake redirecting gas/pressure you donít have that ďwallĒ effect. Gas is diverted through the ports perpendicular to the muzzle helping reward push and also muzzle climb. With thus the sound is directed through the ports and towards the shooter somewhat making the gunshot much louder.

Many different makes and models to choose from. A brake on a 308 does help if you are doing extended target shooting with recoil and maintaining a sight picture but in a hunting situation a brake really isnít needed. You could always take the brake off while hunting and replace it with a thread protector while hunting. If you do, make sure you shoot the gun with and without as there may be a poi change.

billinkb 11-13-2018 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mexico (Post 13783818)
Brake= Loud as he11, less recoil
No Brake = not as loud, more recoil

And when shooting off of a bench, wear safety glasses. The dust will blow in your eyes.

I was impressed with the recoil reduction on my 7 mag.

WhiplashTX 11-13-2018 05:59 PM

I find the radial brakes no where near as obnoxious as the ported brakes. The angled back ported brakes reduce recoil a bit more so pick your poison. I recently got my silencer and while test have shown the recoil mitigation is minimal, I was really impressed, especially with the lack of muzzle rise.

HuntForHorns 11-13-2018 06:05 PM

You will be sorry if you get one. I won't even get one on my 375 H&H because it makes them too loud to shoot. You cant wear earplugs while you hunt.

TexanDuke 11-13-2018 06:10 PM

lotta good info guys, thanks for replies, leaning towards not running one

glen 11-13-2018 06:20 PM

You can’t take them off and on as it changes barrel harmonics. I guess it would depend on hunting style. 100 yards who cares. If your stretching the gun then you can’t change harmonics

kmitchl 11-13-2018 06:30 PM

If you shoot a lot off the bench get a brake. I donít see the value for the limited shots when hunting unless you are on a MLD lease and have a bunch of doe tags.

TXBRASS 11-13-2018 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by glen (Post 13784021)
as it changes barrel harmonics.


Not true.....



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Bruiser 11-13-2018 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanDuke (Post 13783838)
So the blast literally makes plugs mandatory?

from a 20 inch barrel would you take a shot if required without plugs in?

should always wear earplugs yuo are doing damage

Bruiser 11-13-2018 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HuntForHorns (Post 13783995)
You cant wear earplugs while you hunt.

you can and should

sendit 11-13-2018 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by glen
as it changes barrel harmonics.


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Originally Posted by TXBRASS (Post 13784068)
Not true.....

Yes it is true.
Any change will change the harmonics of a barrel. It can changed with a particular load or in this case the addition of a muzzle brake. It adds weight to the muzzle which will change the harmonics. Effects of harmonics can be positive, neutral or negative. You will see the effects usually in group size or POI.

TXBRASS 11-13-2018 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sendit (Post 13784127)
Yes it is true.

Any change will change the harmonics of a barrel. It can changed with a particular load or in this case the addition of a muzzle brake. It adds weight to the muzzle which will change the harmonics. Effects of harmonics can be positive, neutral or negative. You will see the effects usually in group size or POI.



Brakes do not change POI... that is proven time and time again. Maybe on a pencil barrel factory non-free-floated junker, but not on a correctly built rig.


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-HIC- 11-13-2018 07:16 PM

I will not hunt with a gun that has a muzzle brake. I typically hunt suppressed but when going lightweight it is a pencil barrel with no brake. I am typically listening to Sirius in one ear and remember to throw the other bud in before I shoot. However, I will not pass on a quick shot without both ear buds. If the brake is outside of the blind it will ring your head, if you pull back enough that any port is not outside it will put you on your knees.

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-HIC- 11-13-2018 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TXBRASS (Post 13784068)
Not true.....



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Yes, it is true. Any length, or weight change will impact harmonics.

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Rcole1310 11-13-2018 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanDuke (Post 13783838)
So the blast literally makes plugs mandatory?



from a 20 inch barrel would you take a shot if required without plugs in?



I had an emergency trip to an ENT doctor after shooting my 300 ultra mag a couple of times with no hearing protection on a hunt in Alaska. I would NOT do that again.


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ColinR 11-13-2018 07:25 PM

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I have never had or even shot a rifle with a brake on it till I got my 28 Nosler. If your not familiar with 28 Nosler it's a 404 jefferys case necked down to 7mm. In other words it's a freekin cannon. I don't like recoil so I was really worried about shooting the 28 especially since mine is super light, carbon fiber barrel and stock. But it has a radial brake. I was absolutely amazed at the recoil even shooting 180 - 195 grain bullets. It literally kicks like my sons 243. Yea there is definitely more muzzle blast but with the amount of recoil reduction I could care less. Total game changer and I love it. When hunting I keep a pair of these ear plugs around my neck and they pop into my ears within a second.

TacticalCowboy 11-13-2018 07:37 PM

Shot a deer earlier this year with my AR10 with a lantac dragon comp.

Loved it. No recoil, watched the deer hit the ground through the scope. I carried ear muffs with me, and definitely used them.

TexanDuke 11-13-2018 08:13 PM

last few responses are swaying me, seems like the addition of some plugs around the neck is an even trade off for lower recoil, especially on a hog hunt or similar where there are multiple shot opportunities

RJH1 11-13-2018 08:28 PM

I wouldn't have one on a hunting rifle. I don't want to have to worry about plugs all the time, or when you are driving along and shoot out the window of your truck right quick and don't have time to put in plugs,

TXBRASS 11-13-2018 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanDuke (Post 13784321)
last few responses are swaying me, seems like the addition of some plugs around the neck is an even trade off for lower recoil, especially on a hog hunt or similar where there are multiple shot opportunities



I have no problem using and hunting with ear plugs. Have taken a few deer, multiple hogs, and a bear the past 12 months with using them.
There is also the option of ďgame earĒ or such devices. Electronic ear plugs that are like hearing aids and enhance hearing, but cancel out loud decibels from shots.
I just havenít spent the money on these yet, but will probably be my next bigger purchase.


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TXBRASS 11-13-2018 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by -HIC- (Post 13784163)
Yes, it is true. Any length, or weight change will impact harmonics.

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There is the school of thought that if point of impact is not impacted/changed, then neither can be harmonics. But to each his own. Harmonics and the theories surrounding such is snake oil IMHO, especially if POI is not changed at all, but to each his own. I can respectfully agree to disagree. I know what makes my rigs shoot sub MOA, and I wonít speak against another man who does the same with his.


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Jared.King 11-13-2018 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by HuntForHorns (Post 13783995)
You cant wear earplugs while you hunt.

I wear electronic muffs that have hearing enhancement every time I hunt with a gun. They work good ;)b

basschump 11-13-2018 09:53 PM

I took a 7mag with a ported muzzle break on my first elk hunt. Gun was a sweet shooter and had light recoil. I didnít have ear plugs. Killed an elk and didnít notice the excess noise.
The next year my hunting partner incorrectly ranged a mule deer buck for me. After the 4th shot, my head felt like a gong, my ears were ringing, and I couldnít hear my buddy talk to me when he was sitting next to me. It was miserable.

I do like the lack of recoil.


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glen 11-13-2018 09:55 PM

TxBrass- Not sure how you would add any weight to a barrel and it not change the harmonics of it. I'm not talking about cheap sporter guns either. I am talking about long range guns. How could you add anything with weight to the end of a barrel and it not have some type of effect on the harmonics of the barrel? I would suggest you add anything to a gun make sure you work a load for that gun. You may get lucky and be able to use the same load but I would not recommend screwing and unscrewing anything on a barrel and not verifying your zero and group. Also length would be a factor. I have never pushed a chrono and it be the same with and without a suppressor. never tried with a brake.

TexanDuke 11-13-2018 10:38 PM

So I guess my major question to those who have them is, what style is best? The apa models look great. Any other suggestions?

-HIC- 11-13-2018 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanDuke (Post 13784743)
So I guess my major question to those who have them is, what style is best? The apa models look great. Any other suggestions?

APA, 419, Masterpiece Arms ars all great on the bench.

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zbest_hunter 11-13-2018 11:42 PM

I have a 300 Win Mag with a brake and it loud but fun to shoot.

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J.C. 11-14-2018 06:27 AM

Just took mine off my 6.5 because it was ringing my ears WITH plugs... for sale. 5/8 x 24. PM me and I'll get you a pic.

Cur_Dog 11-14-2018 06:36 AM

I owned a 270 with a Boss system at the end of the barrel. Killed many a deer and other critters with it. I'm now paying the price with my hearing because of it. Always used protection at the range but not all the time in the woods. Last time I shot it a few years ago I made a huge mistake. I was in a very air tight box stand and did not get the muzzle all the way out the window when I shot.

After I picked my self off the floor after feeling like someone ***** slapped me I decided to sell it :)

dphillips62 11-14-2018 06:51 AM

I had a 300 weatherby mag built by kleinguenther it had one of his brakes on it. I shot it without ear protection once, It sent me to the ENT the next day my ears have been ringing ever since that was more than 30 years ago.

captainsling 11-14-2018 07:12 AM

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So I guess my major question to those who have them is, what style is best? The apa models look great. Any other suggestions?

I have a APR with a Harrel's Radial. It is a lot quieter than the BOSS system I have had on my Brownings. It makes my 300wsm kick like a .243. And looks nice too. I like the clean look of the integrated brake


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