Ok, so I like the idea (not execution) of a rossi circuit judge. I like having bird/rat shot handy and 45lc both at the same time..essentially selectable in the gun by cocking the gun twice. Good for snakes, coyote/pig.
I've made and tested necked down 460 brass to fit in my 4 5/8" ruger blackhawk. It uses the full volume of the cylinder of the revolver. The rim of the cartridge goes to the end of the cylinder basically. It puts the taurus judge pattern to shame at 10 yards over and over. I can fit over 5/8 oz shot in it (almost 11/16 oz). Shoots wonderful. With the same gun, I shot a pig behind the shoulder at 102 yards (luck involved) with the 45lc. Pistol is great to carry but a longer shot takes a while to line up and you have to be more careful with sight alignment. Pistol scopes are a little hard to acquire target as well and touchier when aiming long distance with the short sight radius (think riding atv then seeing a running coyote). Id like a smaller rifle/carbine format that would allow for a low power scope. Not a fan of red dot type optics. Would also be nice to squeeze a little more range out of the shot pattern.
The problem with the rossi is its a poor compromise to do both as its not great at either a rifle or shotgun.The main issue is that the barrel is rifled all but the last bit with the straight rifling choke at the end. The huge freebore for the 45lc makes accuracy suffer. The short straight rifled choke doesn't do a whole lot for the shotgun pattern either.
Another problem with the Rossi is that once you have the straight rifled choke in...forget shooting the 45lc. With the choke removed its ok for 45lc...but good luck with shotgun pattern.
The old savage over-unders are bulky and heavy. Would really love to find a compact .233 over .410...but that's a whole other discussion....
So here is the thought:
Chamber a barrel for 45lc. Rifle the first 5 or 6 inches. That's plenty long enough to stabilize the 45lc and get good velocity. Then open up the bore of the barrel to 28 gauge the rest of the way (.550"). Could even put in screw in chokes and not create interference with the 45lc.
So now the questions:
1. Would the pattern be any decent? I get a surprisingly good pattern with my 4 5/8 bbl blackhawk home made loads already. People use shotgun caliber adapters all the time and don't complain about the patterns. Would this be any different (minus the 5" of rifling affect imparted on the shot....which has proven isn't a big deal at the moment.)
2. Would escaping gases around the 45lc once it exited the rifling portion affect accuracy (<100 yards or less..figure keeping in a 3-4" group)?
3. I realize this will not take the place of two separate guns, but could the marginal improvement over the rossi circuit be noticeable?
I'd love to test this theory (or maybe someone else already has and I'm not aware?).
I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts (good and bad). I'll sit back and listen.
-Jeremy
I've made and tested necked down 460 brass to fit in my 4 5/8" ruger blackhawk. It uses the full volume of the cylinder of the revolver. The rim of the cartridge goes to the end of the cylinder basically. It puts the taurus judge pattern to shame at 10 yards over and over. I can fit over 5/8 oz shot in it (almost 11/16 oz). Shoots wonderful. With the same gun, I shot a pig behind the shoulder at 102 yards (luck involved) with the 45lc. Pistol is great to carry but a longer shot takes a while to line up and you have to be more careful with sight alignment. Pistol scopes are a little hard to acquire target as well and touchier when aiming long distance with the short sight radius (think riding atv then seeing a running coyote). Id like a smaller rifle/carbine format that would allow for a low power scope. Not a fan of red dot type optics. Would also be nice to squeeze a little more range out of the shot pattern.
The problem with the rossi is its a poor compromise to do both as its not great at either a rifle or shotgun.The main issue is that the barrel is rifled all but the last bit with the straight rifling choke at the end. The huge freebore for the 45lc makes accuracy suffer. The short straight rifled choke doesn't do a whole lot for the shotgun pattern either.
Another problem with the Rossi is that once you have the straight rifled choke in...forget shooting the 45lc. With the choke removed its ok for 45lc...but good luck with shotgun pattern.
The old savage over-unders are bulky and heavy. Would really love to find a compact .233 over .410...but that's a whole other discussion....
So here is the thought:
Chamber a barrel for 45lc. Rifle the first 5 or 6 inches. That's plenty long enough to stabilize the 45lc and get good velocity. Then open up the bore of the barrel to 28 gauge the rest of the way (.550"). Could even put in screw in chokes and not create interference with the 45lc.
So now the questions:
1. Would the pattern be any decent? I get a surprisingly good pattern with my 4 5/8 bbl blackhawk home made loads already. People use shotgun caliber adapters all the time and don't complain about the patterns. Would this be any different (minus the 5" of rifling affect imparted on the shot....which has proven isn't a big deal at the moment.)
2. Would escaping gases around the 45lc once it exited the rifling portion affect accuracy (<100 yards or less..figure keeping in a 3-4" group)?
3. I realize this will not take the place of two separate guns, but could the marginal improvement over the rossi circuit be noticeable?
I'd love to test this theory (or maybe someone else already has and I'm not aware?).
I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts (good and bad). I'll sit back and listen.
-Jeremy
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