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texas assasin 01-10-2017 06:06 PM

No CHL in Texas???
 
What are yalls thoughts? y'all think this will stand? This is way above my pay grade. Maybe a legal expert can educate me on this. Just curious
Thanks

PSE_TX 01-10-2017 06:08 PM

To me it makes as much sense as allowing someone to drive without getting their license. Not a fan of carrying without a permit. Just my opinion though


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Artos 01-10-2017 06:09 PM

Freedom isn't very popular these days...

Drycreek3189 01-10-2017 06:09 PM

If it passes, I think the governor will sign it, but I doubt it passes. Too many politicians of both parties think they need more and more power, not less.

Slick8 01-10-2017 06:10 PM

I'm all for it, it's our constitutional right to carry but the Feds left it up to the states to decide.

Having a permit solves nothing and makes NO ONE safer. It only generates revenue for the state and makes Law Abiding people jump through hoops.

The bad guys aren't worried about a carry permit...heck most of them can't legally own a weapon...:mad:

Artos 01-10-2017 06:12 PM

Permits will still be somewhat desirable as long as it helps the gun buying process & those wanting to avoid the nics wait...just my opinion.

Drycreek3189 01-10-2017 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSE_TX (Post 12096927)
To me it makes as much sense as allowing someone to drive without getting their license. Not a fan of carrying without a permit. Just my opinion though


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I'm not a fan of jumping through hoops in order to defend my life and those of my family. The founders never intended anything more out of a free people than to protect you and yours. Obviously, criminals have no license. Aren't we at least as good as them ?

panhandlehunter 01-10-2017 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artos (Post 12096930)
Freedom isn't very popular these days...

I know.

Grant2 01-10-2017 06:14 PM

I think you should be able to carry anywhere anytime. Criminals could careless about laws and don't pay attention to gun free zones they actually like them better. I see no difference in being able to carry a gun in my car without it or having it on me. I'm not worried about law bidding citizens doing the right thing.

Drycreek3189 01-10-2017 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slick8 (Post 12096936)
I'm all for it, it's our constitutional right to carry but the Feds left it up to the states to decide.

Having a permit solves nothing and makes NO ONE safer. It only generates revenue for the state and makes Law Abiding people jump through hoops.

The bad guys aren't worried about a carry permit...heck most of them can't legally own a weapon...:mad:

Wow! Thinking alike at the same time !

texas assasin 01-10-2017 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slick8 (Post 12096936)
I'm all for it, it's our constitutional right to carry but the Feds left it up to the states to decide.

Having a permit solves nothing and makes NO ONE safer. It only generates revenue for the state and makes Law Abiding people jump through hoops.

The bad guys aren't worried about a carry permit...heck most of them can't legally own a weapon...:mad:

Well said.... bad guys don't give a sh..
good info/feedback from everyone keep it coming

Grulla 01-10-2017 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artos (Post 12096930)
Freedom isn't very popular these days...

No doubt . People are condition to give away God given rights these days .

kumathebear 01-10-2017 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slick8 (Post 12096936)
I'm all for it, it's our constitutional right to carry but the Feds left it up to the states to decide.

Having a permit solves nothing and makes NO ONE safer. It only generates revenue for the state and makes Law Abiding people jump through hoops.

The bad guys aren't worried about a carry permit...heck most of them can't legally own a weapon...:mad:

100% Agree! The CHL fees are a $$ maker for the state "politicians" to fund from. Just another false perception that no one but us "honest citizens" follow the laws and the bad guys continue to do their thing! "Come on man?!"

DarrellS 01-10-2017 06:26 PM

"Shall not be infringed"....
Licensing is an infringement

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Rush2Judge 01-10-2017 06:26 PM

I've got no problem with needing a license to carry as long as it is not overly burdensome (State has to prove why I can't have it vs. me proving I "need" it). It's a very clear line of demarcation when talking about gun crimes. It is easy to analyze how many "law abiding citizens" are committing gun crimes versus "thugs". Without a license, it would be too convenient for the media to blur the lines, making it easier on on them in their continued assault on the 2nd amendment.

Guess I am in the minority.

flywise 01-10-2017 06:29 PM

I dont have a permit and been holding off getting one for many years because i do not believe i should need one.

DJM 01-10-2017 06:30 PM

I'm all for it.The only issue I see is if traveling to another state.(If national reciprosity passes.)

DJ

Fightinaggies 01-10-2017 06:31 PM

If you have taken the class you know what a joke it is anyway

chopsknives 01-10-2017 06:33 PM

When I lived in Co I had to do a lot of work in Montana which was open carry no permit and you know they were just as polite as can be everywhere I went! Across one state line and they were jerks with only CHL carry allowed! Seems people act a little more respectful when they know most around them are armed!!

PSE_TX 01-10-2017 06:37 PM

No CHL in Texas???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Drycreek3189 (Post 12096949)
I'm not a fan of jumping through hoops in order to defend my life and those of my family. The founders never intended anything more out of a free people than to protect you and yours. Obviously, criminals have no license. Aren't we at least as good as them ?



For me it's not about jumping through hoops. I learned a lot of great info that I hadn't even thought about before when I took my LTC class


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Drycreek3189 01-10-2017 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by panhandlehunter (Post 12096951)
I know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSE_TX (Post 12097014)
For me it's not about jumping through hoops. I learned a lot of great info that I hadn't even thought about before when I took my LTC class


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With all due respect, all I learned was the laws concerning a legal defense scenario, which is pretty well just common sense anyway. As mentioned above, the process is a joke.

texas assasin 01-10-2017 06:48 PM

I know the laws and have common sense don't have a chl refuse to contribute to a b/s law i will defend myself and family if need be and deal with unlawful carry afterwards
Too much info maybe

Mike D 01-10-2017 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PSE_TX (Post 12096927)
To me it makes as much sense as allowing someone to drive without getting their license. Not a fan of carrying without a permit. Just my opinion though


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Quite a difference between a State controlled privilege vs a constitutional right wouldn't you say?


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Felix40 01-10-2017 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fightinaggies (Post 12097000)
If you have taken the class you know what a joke it is anyway

This. The class is a complete joke and waste of time and money. A lady at my class was hitting targets next to hers and needed help clearing several limp wristing jams. She still got a license.

J-Fish 01-10-2017 06:53 PM

So anyone can buy a gun (that passes background), but you need to have a license to carry it out of the house....

Yeah, I hope it passes. I will still keep my concealed carry license, but to me it makes since to be able to constitutionally carry.

I think it maks since to have people set down and think about the responsibility of having the power to conceal carry a weapon for 8-10 hours on a Saturday to obtain a license. I think it made since to have people qualify to shoot to be able to carry. But my desire to have less government in out business makes the most since to me.

bowhuntntxn 01-10-2017 06:55 PM

A lisence is nothing more than a way for the government to make you buy back a freedoms they took away.

It won't pass because of the loss of revenue stream into the government coffers.

Physhstyx 01-10-2017 06:55 PM

States that already have constitutional carry are: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho (residents only), Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming (residents only).

States with limited permit-less...Montana (outside city limits), New Hampshire (unloaded weapon, loaded magazine), Oklahoma (residents of constitutional carry states).

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22 states are currently petitioning constitutional carry.

http://www.gunlaws.com/ConstitutionalCarryIndex.htm

Lastly...Texas already has a form of permit-less carry with the castle doctrine passed in 2007. you can carry in your vehicle without a permit. It is considered part of your domicile.

I am for our "FREEDOM" to carry without a permit. I will likely keep my permit for hassle free gun purchases.

Mike D 01-10-2017 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fightinaggies (Post 12097000)
If you have taken the class you know what a joke it is anyway



So you knew the penal code laws regarding trespassing and deadly force before your class?

I have no shame admitting I didn't. Before your class did you do due diligence to keep up with new laws regarding these items? I didn't.

To say the class is a joke is disingenuous. I don't believe the shooting qualification shoot even be a requirement. They should do nothing more than teach you the laws.


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PSE_TX 01-10-2017 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike D (Post 12097049)
Quite a difference between a State controlled privilege vs a constitutional right wouldn't you say?


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You are 100% correct. But I still believe that people should be educated on carrying a gun just like they should be on driving a car. I think the best solution would be to take a class and at the end of the class you're immediately issued a permit instead of dealing with the state. Because I also agree that the current process is not ideal


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quarterback 01-10-2017 07:00 PM

I'm not sure what this changes. We already have the right to carry and to defend ourselves, our homestead, our autos, our possessions etc. with or without a CHL. Honestly I do not see much of an advantage for getting my CHL except that I might learn something from a class (which is good).

Mike D 01-10-2017 07:04 PM

No CHL in Texas???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PSE_TX (Post 12097079)
You are 100% correct. But I still believe that people should be educated on carrying a gun just like they should be on driving a car. I think the best solution would be to take a class and at the end of the class you're immediately issued a permit instead of dealing with the state. Because I also agree that the current process is not ideal


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I totally agree that people should be educated. However I believe that should be the responsibility of the individual, not the State. If someone carries a gun, and is involved in a shooting that is not within the law, let them deal with the consequences.

I'm all about personal accountability, not forced accountability.


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meltingfeather 01-10-2017 07:05 PM

Let me get this straight...
Criminals don't follow laws, so why should we have laws?

Ironman 01-10-2017 07:05 PM

A license to carry is nothing more than a tax on a constitutional right.

Mike D 01-10-2017 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quarterback (Post 12097083)
I'm not sure what this changes. We already have the right to carry and to defend ourselves, our homestead, our autos, our possessions etc. with or without a CHL. Honestly I do not see much of an advantage for getting my CHL except that I might learn something from a class (which is good).



You do not have the right to carry a weapon on your person in public without a license as it currently stands.

Unless you never leave your house or vehicle, the other options are pretty pointless.


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meltingfeather 01-10-2017 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike D (Post 12097105)
You do not have the right to carry a weapon on your person in public without a license as it currently stands.

Yes you do... it just has to have a stock and a barrel longer than 16" ;)b

AntlerCollector 01-10-2017 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artos (Post 12096930)
Freedom isn't very popular these days...



Yep

AntlerCollector 01-10-2017 07:22 PM

You have every right in the World until you let someone else take it away

txjustin 01-10-2017 07:24 PM

Constitutional Carry, yes, more freedom is good.

fishingsetx 01-10-2017 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike D (Post 12097098)
I totally agree that people should be educated. However I believe that should be the responsibility of the individual, not the State. If someone carries a gun, and is involved in a shooting that is not within the law, let them deal with the consequences.

I'm all about personal accountability, not forced accountability.


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This I agree with along with constitutional carry! I knew pretty much everything my "instructor" taught in my class including correcting him a few times when he was teaching things wrong. If a person chooses to carry, they should do their own research or take a class to learn the laws. However, they should not be forced to take a state sanctioned class, submit fingerprints, and pay a rediculous fee just to exercise their rights!

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fishingsetx 01-10-2017 07:53 PM

There is also a bill that has been proposed to remove the state fee for CHL but still requiring the class, background check, etc. Constitutional Carry makes more sense, but when have polititions ever needed a bill to make sense.

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Lungbustr 01-10-2017 07:58 PM

I'm all for constitutional carry.

12RingKing 01-10-2017 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artos (Post 12096930)
Freedom isn't very popular these days...

That's how I feel.... the CHL is just taxation on your right to defend yourself and your family

JW 01-10-2017 08:47 PM

No CHL in Texas???
 
I've always felt training courses are great and should be encouraged. However I've also alway felt that the CHL was unconstitutional as hell.

FTR: I've never gotten one for that reason.

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texansfan 01-10-2017 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragin' (Post 12097458)
I've always felt training courses are great and should be encouraged. However I've also always felt that the CHL was unconstitutional as hell.

FTR: I've never gotten one for that reason.

^^^^^Ditto

I also don't think a biz owner should have to do all that 30.06 and 30.07 mess.
Just a simple NO GUNS ALLOWED sign should suffice
Just like a simple NO SHIRT, NO SHOES, NO SERVICE sign suffices.
I don't care if you carry, just don't do it in MY STORE

If I had a dog and a business had a NO PETS/DOGS sign then I just wouldn't bring my dog there

WCB 01-10-2017 09:36 PM

I'm for constitutional carry. I'm also for property owners rights.

Mike D 01-10-2017 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meltingfeather (Post 12097114)
Yes you do... it just has to have a stock and a barrel longer than 16" ;)b



Touche' sir. ;)

Mike D 01-10-2017 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texansfan (Post 12097619)
^^^^^Ditto



I also don't think a biz owner should have to do all that 30.06 and 30.07 mess.

Just a simple NO GUNS ALLOWED sign should suffice

Just like a simple NO SHIRT, NO SHOES, NO SERVICE sign suffices.

I don't care if you carry, just don't do it in MY STORE



If I had a dog and a business had a NO PETS/DOGS sign then I just wouldn't bring my dog there



The signs were a way to allow both sides their rights. I don't have a problem with the signs. Just shows where I'm not welcome so I try not to go.

WCB 01-10-2017 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike D (Post 12097727)
The signs were a way to allow both sides their rights. I don't have a problem with the signs. Just shows where I'm not welcome so I try not to go.

Ditto

RMW 01-10-2017 09:45 PM

Not much to learn in a CHL class

fishingsetx 01-10-2017 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texansfan (Post 12097619)
^^^^^Ditto

I also don't think a biz owner should have to do all that 30.06 and 30.07 mess.
Just a simple NO GUNS ALLOWED sign should suffice
Just like a simple NO SHIRT, NO SHOES, NO SERVICE sign suffices.
I don't care if you carry, just don't do it in MY STORE

If I had a dog and a business had a NO PETS/DOGS sign then I just wouldn't bring my dog there

Legis did the 30.06 and 30.07 to eliminate confusion and future problems with "I didnt see the sign", or "I thought it said no smoking", etc. Hard to say you missed a 30.06/07 sign.

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