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LakeJake 09-24-2017 09:46 PM

Factory 223 loads?
 
I just finished an AR build with a PSA 18" stainless barrel in 223 Wylde, 1in7 rifling, and rifle length gas system. I originally planned to go with a much "better" barrel, but it was packaged with an upper and handguard that made it basically a freebie.

I'd like to give this inexpensive barrel a chance at staying on the gun. I don't do hand loads, and only have experience with 40-55 grain factory 223 loads.

Im hoping it will like 62-77 grain stuff. What would you suggest trying in this barrel?

Main purpose is punching holes in paper, but if all goes well, it may be a hunting gun.

LakeJake 09-24-2017 09:55 PM

And for those that like pics a specs...

PSA receivers, PSA barrel, CMC 3.5 curved single stage trigger, Aero bcg, Aero scope mount, Millet 4-16x50, Strike charging handle, Midwest handguard, UTG A2 stock and rifle buffer, Magpul MOE+ grip.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...89cac8f379.jpg

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ahlongslide 09-24-2017 10:05 PM

Nice! 77gr Federal gold match is good for punching paper from most 1:7 barrels

Mambajeep 09-24-2017 10:14 PM

Barnes TSX if you plan on hunting

kmon 09-24-2017 10:23 PM

Hornady 75gr math is another to look at for accuracy with heavier bullets.

If you are planning on hunting, I know several that love that load for hogs and not just earhole shots.

My go to bullet for deer in the 223 is the 60gr Partition and Federal loads it in factory ammo. 64gr Winchester Power Point also works well for deer and hog sized ritters.

LakeJake 09-24-2017 11:13 PM

Thanks for all the suggestions thus far, and please keep them coming.

LakeJake 09-25-2017 11:28 AM

Any others?

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BigJimmyRustler 09-25-2017 12:19 PM

Black Hills 77gr OTM

300rem7 09-25-2017 12:22 PM

I have had good luck with:

Federal & Black Hills 77 & 69Gr
Hornady 75gr

I would also suggest you look at Prime ammo & Dallas Reloads, depending on how often you shoot.

tvc184 09-25-2017 12:26 PM

The only whitetail round that I have rifle hunted for maybe the last 6-7 years is the Federal .223 62gr Tactical Bonded (T3) round. The sku is FEDLE223T3.

I have never had one fail to penetrate through and through with about a .50 caliber exit hole including quartering.

No losses of any deer and the farthest tracking job was about 25 yards.

If you can get your hands on some. They are designed law enforcement rounds made for high expansion, very good penetration with weight retention. Anyone can buy them but they are sometimes hard to come by. I think it is likely that some Federal hunting rounds are basically this round but with a different name but I donít know that for a fact.

kmon 09-25-2017 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tvc184 (Post 12758878)
The only whitetail round that I have rifle hunted for maybe the last 6-7 years is the Federal .223 62gr Tactical Bonded (T3) round. The sku is FEDLE223T3.

I have never had one fail to penetrate through and through with about a .50 caliber exit hole including quartering.

No losses of any deer and the farthest tracking job was about 25 yards.

If you can get your hands on some. They are designed law enforcement rounds made for high expansion, very good penetration with weight retention. Anyone can buy them but they are sometimes hard to come by. I think it is likely that some Federal hunting rounds are basically this round but with a different name but I donít know that for a fact.

Get Dallas reloads to load some Nosler bonded 64gr and will have the same bullet..

Outdoor Legacy 09-25-2017 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmon (Post 12757590)
Hornady 75gr math is another to look at for accuracy with heavier bullets.

If you are planning on hunting, I know several that love that load for hogs and not just earhole shots.

This is my choice for hog rounds after using lots of different ammo. Rather than the Hornady Match, buy the Hornady Black ammo. Here is the dirty little secret....the Match and the Black are the exact same ammo but the Black can be bought for $13/box and the Match is $16/box. There may very well be a better bullet but for the cost per round, I haven't found a larger .223 hollow point with the accuracy of this ammo. It's probably more than you need for punching paper but if you want to punch hogs, I highly recommend it.

- Jason

DuramaxDude 09-25-2017 03:58 PM

[QUOTE=kmon;12757590]Hornady 75gr math is another to look at for accuracy with heavier bullets.

If you are planning on hunting, I know several that love that load for hogs and not just earhole shots.

^^^ This I use it in a 1:8 twist I believe. That 75 grain bthp has taken out coyotes, hogs, and deer. I use the steel match ammo though box of 50 for $19-$25. I have heard some say that the coating on steel casings can gum up and AR style action but I have read that a lot of the newer better coatings will not do this.

LakeJake 09-25-2017 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Outdoor Legacy (Post 12759637)
This is my choice for hog rounds after using lots of different ammo. Rather than the Hornady Match, buy the Hornady Black ammo. Here is the dirty little secret....the Match and the Black are the exact same ammo but the Black can be bought for $13/box and the Match is $16/box. There may very well be a better bullet but for the cost per round, I haven't found a larger .223 hollow point with the accuracy of this ammo. It's probably more than you need for punching paper but if you want to punch hogs, I highly recommend it.

- Jason

If that's true, I'll be quite happy. I have a box of the Black 75 bthp in the pile of contenders.

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LakeJake 09-25-2017 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LakeJake (Post 12759959)
If that's true, I'll be quite happy. I have a box of the Black 75 bthp in the pile of contenders.

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The SKU on the Black and Match 75 gr bthp are oddly similar. Visual inspection supports this, so I broke out the calipers. The box of Black (SKU 80267) I have measures 0.01394" shorter OAL average compared to the box of Match (SKU 8026) I have.

That is more than an eight of an inch difference, but I'm still rooting for a less expensive round to win this little competition out of my barrel. I'll update with results after I get to the range.

Outdoor Legacy 09-25-2017 07:29 PM

I could definitely be wrong but this was the story after it was announced at the SHOT Show. Also, in places Hornady even refers to it as "Hornady Match Black". Check out these specs from Hornady's website.....

Black

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Match

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4197a86481.jpg

Again, I could have been given wrong info but if they aren't identical, I believe they are darn close. Close enough a hog won't care.[emoji16]

LakeJake 09-25-2017 11:07 PM

10-4, there are also publications that say the Black SKUs are mostly renamed products that also have been call Match, Custom, etc. I don't doubt you and hope the results support.

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LakeJake 09-27-2017 07:47 PM

Range report:

Hornady Match 68gr about 1.5moa
Winchester PowerPoint 64gr about 1.5moa
Hornady Match 75gr about 2moa
Hornady Black 75gr about 2 moa

Several different 55gr loads 2-4moa

The winner today was Federal Premium TRU with Sierra Gameking 55gr hp's. I got three consecutive 5 shot groups at or under 1moa.

Hornady Match and Black 75gr bthp's did perform like they are the exact same load.

This PSA barrel gets to stick around for a while! https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...55b2dc4506.jpg

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hellbndr23 09-27-2017 11:36 PM

I shoot ORR tactical 75 grain bthp for my competition 3 gun long range stuff. Great ammo from a small veteran owned business.
https://www.orrtactical.com/store/pr...tch-100-rounds

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KC Huntin 10-09-2017 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tvc184 (Post 12758878)
The only whitetail round that I have rifle hunted for maybe the last 6-7 years is the Federal .223 62gr Tactical Bonded (T3) round. The sku is FEDLE223T3.

I have never had one fail to penetrate through and through with about a .50 caliber exit hole including quartering.

No losses of any deer and the farthest tracking job was about 25 yards.

If you can get your hands on some. They are designed law enforcement rounds made for high expansion, very good penetration with weight retention. Anyone can buy them but they are sometimes hard to come by. I think it is likely that some Federal hunting rounds are basically this round but with a different name but I donít know that for a fact.

What about the trophy bonded tip 62 grain?

TheWidowMaker 10-09-2017 10:02 PM

check www.targetsportsusa.com i buy wolf gold 223 55gr from them by the 1000 and to me they're the best bang for the buck

kd350 10-10-2017 08:33 AM

Hornady American whitetail
Freedom munitions has a bonded soft point
Barnes

crash8005 10-10-2017 10:00 PM

I have almost the exact same setup as you and I found that the Federal Fusion 62 gr with the antlers on the box (not MSR) and 64 gr Speer Gold Dot Law Enforcement rounds shoot the best out of my rifle.

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gingib 10-11-2017 08:59 AM

60 grain SP's from Freedom Munition

.40-50 a round cant beat that


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