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Dale Moser 11-10-2019 11:36 PM

Free agents after this year.

QB Dak Prescott
WR Amari Cooper
WR Randall Cobb
WR Tavon Austin
TE Jason Witten
DE Robert Quinn
LB Sean Lee
CB Byron Jones

But at least they overpayed at the most easily replaced position on the field...un-real.


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hpdrifter 11-10-2019 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by camoclad (Post 14499905)
Heard the idea thrown out that JG never speaks into his headset, talks to player, looks over a play sheet, never does anything on the sideline but spit, clap and awkwardly high fives. I've been watching the last few games and this seems true. Is he fired on duty? What's he do?

He signals 1 or 2 after a TD!

Smart 11-10-2019 11:46 PM

2019 Dallas Cowboys season thread....
 
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Originally Posted by texasdeerhunter (Post 14499992)
I try not to jump on band wagons, but if anyone wants to start a “fire Jason Garrett bandwagon”, I think I would support it. We’ve seen on numerous occasions his inability to win high stress games. Tonight, Dallas was destroying the Vikings secondary. And yet he goes to Zeke numerous times in clutch moments....and gets the same result from the running game. And they lose. Again to bad play calling. It’s so disappointing



I’m sure if he passed three times unsuccessfully wed be calling for his head for not running the ball too. Especially with our overpaid RB. But **** that was so obvious. MNs Dline dominated our line all night . I’m sure they were hoping to get the yard for a first down on the first run but after the first failure screw the run. Do we even have a screen game anymore? ****!

Even if we win out I’m ready for a coaching change. I’m sick of the dip****tery.

Dale Moser 11-10-2019 11:53 PM

Where’s all my “Dak is average” guys at? Y’all may want to go check them stats. As you look at the guys above him, ask yourself, who coaches those teams?


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MBV77 11-10-2019 11:57 PM

I’ve never been one to get on board with fire the coach. For a long time there was way more wrong with this team than the coach, but there’s enough talent here to win now. They should be better than 5-4 thru 9 games. Let’s shake things up now and get some new coaching blood in here. Don’t know who, but just get somebody, anybody.


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MBV77 11-10-2019 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dale Moser (Post 14500015)
Where’s all my “Dak is average” guys at? Y’all may want to go check them stats. As you look at the guys above him, ask yourself, who coaches those teams?


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I’d like to ask him why he threw that ball to Zeke on 4th and 5


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Dale Moser 11-11-2019 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MBV77 (Post 14500022)
I’d like to ask him why he threw that ball to Zeke on 4th and 5


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I’d be curious what options he has on that play call too, but he was really good tonight! I’d like to see just his 3rd down stats after they put him in all those holes.


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txwhitetail 11-11-2019 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Dale Moser (Post 14500015)
Where’s all my “Dak is average” guys at? Y’all may want to go check them stats. As you look at the guys above him, ask yourself, who coaches those teams?


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Here we go with the “stats” deal... Romo was the king of “stats”.


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Smart 11-11-2019 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dale Moser (Post 14500015)
Where’s all my “Dak is average” guys at? Y’all may want to go check them stats. As you look at the guys above him, ask yourself, who coaches those teams?


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I’d like to see him give 1/3 of his future salary to Amari.

MBV77 11-11-2019 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dale Moser (Post 14500023)
I’d be curious what options he has on that play call too, but he was really good tonight! I’d like to see just his 3rd down stats after they put him in all those holes.


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His options were....throw it to an open guy that can get 5 yards and a first down. He wasn’t directly instructed to throw a low percentage pass to a running back. I don’t know, maybe he got hurried. I didn’t rewind it and watch it again. I’m tired of the Cowboys.


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MBV77 11-11-2019 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Smart (Post 14500026)
I’d like to see him give 1/3 of his future salary to Amari.



Man that guy has been a difference maker. That hit the jackpot with that trade, although it still doesn’t look like it’s going to make a difference.


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mjhaverkamp 11-11-2019 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MBV77 (Post 14500020)
I’ve never been one to get on board with fire the coach. For a long time there was way more wrong with this team than the coach, but there’s enough talent here to win now. They should be better than 5-4 thru 9 games. Let’s shake things up now and get some new coaching blood in here. Don’t know who, but just get somebody, anybody.


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I agree but how do you know there is a lot of talent here ? Because the media said so ? I do agree that the entire coaching staff should be gone, including that defensive guru Rashard.

Dale Moser 11-11-2019 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by txwhitetail (Post 14500025)
Here we go with the “stats” deal... Romo was the king of “stats”.


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That’s a cop out. Stats are how players are compared against one another, especially quarterbacks.

You want to tell me he’s the problem with that team? What do you think Russel Wilson would look like with this inept coaching staff?

Lets hear your plan for upgrading at the QB position?



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Dale Moser 11-11-2019 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MBV77 (Post 14500029)
His options were....throw it to an open guy that can get 5 yards and a first down. He wasn’t directly instructed to throw a low percentage pass to a running back. I don’t know, maybe he got hurried. I didn’t rewind it and watch it again. I’m tired of the Cowboys.


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He was pretty much nails all night, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. Sure looked like that was the primary target.


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mjhaverkamp 11-11-2019 12:11 AM

Dak is a good QB, Cousins made him look like a crap, I would take Cousins 10 times over Dak, but Dak did not lose this game, the play calls at the end lost this game, Moore has a lot to learn.

txwhitetail 11-11-2019 12:13 AM

**** why didn’t they pay cooper before Zeke...


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Dale Moser 11-11-2019 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Smart (Post 14500026)
I’d like to see him give 1/3 of his future salary to Amari.



I’d rather they’d taken it out of the over rated running backs salary, and pay the qb like EVERY OTHER TEAM ON THE PLANET knows to do.[emoji35][emoji35]



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txwhitetail 11-11-2019 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dale Moser (Post 14500035)
That’s a cop out. Stats are how players are compared against one another, especially quarterbacks.

You want to tell me he’s the problem with that team? What do you think Russel Wilson would look like with this inept coaching staff?

Lets hear your plan for upgrading at the QB position?



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I didn’t say there were any other viable options at the moment. I just don’t think he’s top tier like you do. Middle of the pack in this league. We’re stuck with Dak I hope that means Cooper is kept as well. We’ll see.


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MBV77 11-11-2019 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mjhaverkamp (Post 14500034)
I agree but how do you know there is a lot of talent here ? Because the media said so ? I do agree that the entire coaching staff should be gone, including that defensive guru Rashard.



Because we’ve seen the talent on display at different times. Still need a safety and a corner on D. I’m on the fence with Dak. He’ll look great then not so great. It all comes down to him. He plays the most important position in all professional sports. So goes Dak, so goes the Cowboys. He played great tonight although he got away with a couple of things early, but when it mattered most he took them 75 yards down the field and made a very poor decision to end it. Drives me nuts.






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Dale Moser 11-11-2019 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mjhaverkamp (Post 14500039)
Dak is a good QB, Cousins made him look like a crap, I would take Cousins 10 times over Dak


Rog, you shouldn’t be drinking so heavily on a Sunday.

You should check out Cousins’ contract, BTW.


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MBV77 11-11-2019 12:24 AM

2019 Dallas Cowboys season thread....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Moser (Post 14500038)
He was pretty much nails all night, I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. Sure looked like that was the primary target.


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Absolutely looked like it was his primary target and that’s the problem


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Txarrowhunter 11-11-2019 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith (Post 14499984)
Whoever called 3 consecutive plays to Elliott when he has not done anything all night should be fired tonight. Cooper and Cobb are both having great nights and you abandon that to go to someone who hasn't don't anything all night? Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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Yep. Should let Moore do the calling last quarter

Dale Moser 11-11-2019 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by txwhitetail (Post 14500045)
I didn’t say there were any other viable options at the moment. I just don’t think he’s top tier like you do. Middle of the pack in this league. We’re stuck with Dak I hope that means Cooper is kept as well. We’ll see.


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Middle of the road, yet he’s ranked top 10 in just about every metric...with this coaching staff??

I wouldn’t say top tier, but I don’t know how anyone could watch them this year and think that is middle of the road qb play.


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hpdrifter 11-11-2019 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dale Moser (Post 14500015)
Where’s all my “Dak is average” guys at? Y’all may want to go check them stats. As you look at the guys above him, ask yourself, who coaches those teams?


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I must have missed that winning touchdown pass!

No-Tox 11-11-2019 12:29 AM

Unless I missed it, I didn't see a single QB keeper. With his talent, it would help get Zeke more holes to run through if the defense has to worry about Dak also running the ball.

mjhaverkamp 11-11-2019 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Dale Moser (Post 14500043)
I’d rather they’d taken it out of the over rated running backs salary, and pay the qb like EVERY OTHER TEAM ON THE PLANET knows to do.[emoji35][emoji35]



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Zeke did not have a great game, is that his fault ? Did you see the 2 or 3 blitz he picked up, one was for a TD and another was for a huge third down conversion, he is paid like a top 5 back, get over it. Kirk Cousins was way the hell better than Dak tonite, he gets 27M a year, Dak wants 40, I would draft another QB before I would pay him any where close to that. And Dak needs to figure out that the game is not won in the third quarter, there are 3 other quarters that need to be played. If not for 4 or 5 circus catches Dak would have really sucked.

Dale Moser 11-11-2019 12:37 AM

On 3rd & 7+ tonight, Dak is:

• 5/5
• 100% conversions
• 17.8 YPA
• 1 TD

3 & 14 ► 20 yd completion
3 & 12 ► 20 yd completion
3 & 12 ► 15 yd completion
3 & 8 ► 12 yd completion
3 & 7 ► 22 yd completion, TD

And they payed the RB before him or Cooper....


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Dale Moser 11-11-2019 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mjhaverkamp (Post 14500056)
Zeke did not have a great game, is that his fault ? Did you see the 2 or 3 blitz he picked up, one was for a TD and another was for a huge third down conversion, he is paid like a top 5 back, get over it. Kirk Cousins was way the hell better than Dak tonite, he gets 27M a year, Dak wants 40, I would draft another QB before I would pay him any where close to that.



You can get what Zeke does in the 2nd round of just about any draft and never pay over 8 mil a year for it. The guy across the field made him look stupid tonight.

You could draft in the top 10 for 4 years straight and not replace Dak’s production. Ask Cleveland.


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Dale Moser 11-11-2019 12:51 AM

He got payed, and DGAF.

https://twitter.com/slaternfl/status...380988934?s=21


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GA Bowhunter 11-11-2019 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by GA Bowhunter (Post 14271101)
I would tell Zeke that is under contract for the next two years already. He can do his job or hit the road.
Ask Demarco Murray how that worked out.

Welp, I wonder if JJ will step down as GM and let me take the reigns.

GA Bowhunter 11-11-2019 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GA Bowhunter (Post 14273900)
Zeke 2018.

The top 10 back in number of carries:

#1 in carries Zeke
#1 in fumbles Zeke
#5/6 yards per carry Zeke(tied with Chris Carson)
#9 in touchdowns Zeke

Zeke was #21 overall in yards per carry.
Zeke was #20-26 in rushing TD's(tied with 6 other players including Dak)

Why is Zeke special? Because Jerry hands him the ball a lot between the 20's.
You give any decent NFL back the ball 304 times and they will rack up a lot of yards.

I'll take a back that scores TD's in the redzone, closes out games, doesn't set the ball on the ground and acts like he has some sense when he if off work.

Yep, Dale is correct. Pay Zeke all the money when the important pieces of the puzzle are all up for renewal.

GA Bowhunter 11-11-2019 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mjhaverkamp (Post 14500039)
Dak is a good QB, Cousins made him look like a crap, I would take Cousins 10 times over Dak, but Dak did not lose this game, the play calls at the end lost this game, Moore has a lot to learn.

What? Cousins made Dal look like crap? :rolleyes:

Cousins threw for 220 yards and 2 TDs.
Dak threw for 397 yards and 3 TDs.

Dak's runners provided him with 50 yards on the ground .
Cousins' runners provided him with 153 yards on the ground.

txwhitetail 11-11-2019 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dale Moser (Post 14500053)
Middle of the road, yet he’s ranked top 10 in just about every metric...with this coaching staff??

I wouldn’t say top tier, but I don’t know how anyone could watch them this year and think that is middle of the road qb play.


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Yep i was probably being pretty harsh. Let’s go in the neighborhood of 10th...maybe lol.


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muzzlebrake 11-11-2019 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by txwhitetail (Post 14500041)
**** why didn’t they pay cooper before Zeke...


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X10 and also Cobb and Gallup.
I wonder if Jerrah has any buyers remorse now after a nothing running back performance. Or was it just poor coaching. Zero adjustments to the opposing defense and offense game plan.

Smart 11-11-2019 08:09 AM

In Zeke’s defense, and I too believe he was overPAID, our “world class” Oline got their *** whipped all night long. Not much room to work with or in. I watch the oline play as much as the ball... and they were getting manhandled by the Vikings defensive line and LBs when run blocking all night long. The penetration they allowed would make a heavy arrow calculator junkie blow his wad...[emoji23][emoji23]

mjhaverkamp 11-11-2019 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dale Moser (Post 14500063)
You can get what Zeke does in the 2nd round of just about any draft and never pay over 8 mil a year for it. The guy across the field made him look stupid tonight.

You could draft in the top 10 for 4 years straight and not replace Dak’s production. Ask Cleveland.


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You can get what Dak has in the late fourth round, you can get Brady in the 7th, you can get Romo and Warner from Home Depot, blah blah blah. I guess Barkly sucks too, he had 24 yards last week. There are going to be several backs get Girley and Zeke contracts very soon, get used to it.

rut-ro 11-11-2019 08:14 AM

Dak looked great last night. Cooper and Gallup looked great last night. Elliot, not so much. I hope Jerry keep some of his wide receivers come the off season

mjhaverkamp 11-11-2019 08:24 AM

You can bash Zeke, you can bash Dak, the defense, the players, bottom line is the culture has to change, they are stuck in a rut, they were way out coached, Zimmer was not going to let Zeke run the ball and make Dak win it, the last 4 play calls were embarrassing, why is Dak not running the ball ? Maybe because he wants paid first ? Why did Rashard let Cook run ? That bend but don't break defense is broke. It is not bad that they lost to a good team, what is bad is they had it won if they could have just executed. Garrett will be gone in a few weeks, heard he may be one of the top candidates for the Giants, that would be interesting.

KyleW 11-11-2019 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mjhaverkamp (Post 14500056)
Zeke did not have a great game, is that his fault ? Did you see the 2 or 3 blitz he picked up, one was for a TD and another was for a huge third down conversion, he is paid like a top 5 back, get over it. Kirk Cousins was way the hell better than Dak tonite, he gets 27M a year, Dak wants 40, I would draft another QB before I would pay him any where close to that. And Dak needs to figure out that the game is not won in the third quarter, there are 3 other quarters that need to be played. If not for 4 or 5 circus catches Dak would have really sucked.

Zeke has sucked all season.
Take a look at stats and maybe you will see why Dak will get paid..or you can continue to ignore the stats and throw opinion in. In no way whatsoever did Cousins outplay Dak tonight. He will get paid for it, “get over it”. http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

mjhaverkamp 11-11-2019 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KyleW (Post 14500297)
Zeke has sucked all season.
Take a look at stats and maybe you will see why Dak will get paid..or you can continue to ignore the stats and throw opinion in. In no way whatsoever did Cousins outplay Dak tonight. He will get paid for it, “get over it”. http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

Cousins won the game, Dak lost, cousins made plays when he had to, Dak did not, he had two chances in the red zone and got a field goal. Never said he should not get paid, just do not think he is worth 40M.


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