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Johnny 01-18-2010 01:08 PM

Found an old indian camp...(pics)
 
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People always ask me, what do you look for when trying to locate a place to find artifacts? Well, when I get on a piece of land, I look around and think back to the old ways. You have to take a few things into consideration like water sources, high points, wind direction etc. Basically what you ask yourself is, where would I set up camp on this piece of property if I was going to live off of the land? You then narrow down your options and go from there and get to looking.

Colton and I investigated an area over youth weekend the weekend before last. Colton found a good handfull of flakes (material chipped off of bigger pieces to make points) on the surface within 5 minutes! Plans were made to go back up to our property yesterday to do a little digging around. We were not sure if we would find anything because after talking with plenty of locals over the years, none of them have found or stumbled across any type of artifacts in the area. This area is also not well known for artifacts. I've done a lot of surface looking also and have never found anything until we stumbled across these flakes.

Well after the sifter table and shovels were out, it looked like we were on to something....an ancient indian camp ground.

Here is Brett working hard.

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We started running into a bunch of flakes and then my wife found a broken base to an arrowhead which you can see in the last pic. After a few minutes I stumbled across the first complete point of the day...a little bird point!

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A short 10 minutes later, this popped out of the dirt for me! A nice point with serrated edges!

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A little time goes by when my wife finds a killer tip to a drill made out of flint! We weren't expecting to find pieces like this at all!

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Brett ended up finding two nice points made out of petrified wood and after about 3 hours or so of digging, it was time to hit the road.

So basically we made something out of nothing. You never know, you could have an old camp right smack dab in the middle of your own back yard. It's kind of neat to have a campsite on your own property and one that you have been deer hunting on for years!


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Till Next Time!

Txjourneyman 01-18-2010 01:10 PM

Cool! I have a sack full of heads I've found. I'll have to post them up some time.

Hawkins 01-18-2010 01:12 PM

Sweet finds, Johnny!

fishdog 01-18-2010 01:17 PM

nice find

FIRETX12 01-18-2010 01:20 PM

Cool find!

TexaswBOWhunter 01-18-2010 01:20 PM

Very nice find Johnny!!!!!

prkchp 01-18-2010 01:21 PM

cool finds

Wudstix 01-18-2010 01:28 PM

Neat!!!! ;)b

Eric Pence 01-18-2010 01:31 PM

Good Quality Family time right there my friend.

Tmag 01-18-2010 01:39 PM

May have to lengthen your handle a little!

Redneck Weather Dude/Expert Artifact Finder ;)b

onetime 01-18-2010 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Pence (Post 2189363)
Good Quality Family time right there my friend.

X2 it's always nice to see your posts!

predatorsniper 01-18-2010 02:07 PM

Great tips on where to find camps, Johnny!!!

BTW...I coudn't see that first point you found very well....but could it be a Scottsbluff?

NICE JOB, MAN!!!!;)b

predatorsniper

aaronm 01-18-2010 02:09 PM

You always find the good stuff.

Johnny 01-18-2010 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by predatorsniper (Post 2189485)
Great tips on where to find camps, Johnny!!!

BTW...I coudn't see that first point you found very well....but could it be a Scottsbluff?

NICE JOB, MAN!!!!;)b

predatorsniper


That was my first impression but the flaking doesn't match up to a Scottsbluff I don't think. That would of been pretty crazy it it was! Good eye.

Tubby 01-18-2010 02:12 PM

Nice finds! congrats! ;)b

Brushpopper 01-18-2010 02:19 PM

cool

Burnadell 01-18-2010 02:20 PM

Johnny, you and your kids are the findingest artifacters alive! :D

Texas Pride 01-18-2010 02:21 PM

I have found heads on washed out roads in Soutn Texas

Bill in San Jose 01-18-2010 02:22 PM

Really interesting. But why did you pick that exact spot to look? Access to water? Safety with an elevated position of the surrounding countryside?

Buck Slayer 01-18-2010 02:30 PM

very nice finds man!

aironeout 01-18-2010 02:31 PM

You always seen to make trips worthwile when they appear to be a lost cause. Great finds Johnny.

>E

AgHntr10 01-18-2010 02:32 PM

awesome find

tgil 01-18-2010 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill in San Jose (Post 2189525)
Really interesting. But why did you pick that exact spot to look? Access to water? Safety with an elevated position of the surrounding countryside?

I was wondering the same thing. Looks like it is right in the middle of a cow pasture?

Johnny 01-18-2010 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill in San Jose (Post 2189525)
But why did you pick that exact spot to look? Access to water? Safety with an elevated position of the surrounding countryside?

2 out of 3 ain't bad Bill.;)b This spot is up on a hillside that levels outs for a good ways. This is actually one of the highest points in the area. This hillside sits about 200 yards to the east of a good sized creek that runs through the property. I've noticed over the years that when this creeks gets high and spills out of its banks, it floods the low lying areas around it and sometimes beyond that. With that in mind, this ruled out any camps being right along the creek. They wouldn't want to set up camp in an area where they would get flooded out all of the time. This hillside seemed like the perfect area for a camp. It wasn't too far from water, it's a great lookout point and it kept them high and dry. I actually looked this hill side over pretty good during the summer and did a couple test holes but came home empty handed. I just had a good feeling that this hilltop would produce. We stuck with it and now hit a good camp.:)

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Originally Posted by tgil (Post 2189570)
I was wondering the same thing. Looks like it is right in the middle of a cow pasture?


That's because it is. This high point (hill top) levels off and is a big pasture up top.

Ol Thumper 01-18-2010 03:02 PM

Thats awesome, congrats on the find.

ntevis 01-18-2010 03:10 PM

I havea bunch of arrow heads that my dad found as a boy scout from the Adobe walls battleground. This area is now fenced off. I heard that it is against the law to sell Indian artifacts. Does anybody know if this is true?

Need4speed1 01-18-2010 03:15 PM

Cool find!

Johnny 01-18-2010 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ntevis (Post 2189678)
I havea bunch of arrow heads that my dad found as a boy scout from the Adobe walls battleground. This area is now fenced off. I heard that it is against the law to sell Indian artifacts. Does anybody know if this is true?

I have never sold anything that I have found but I do know it is not against the law.

simmentalover 01-18-2010 03:32 PM

That is Awesome!

Killer Miller 01-18-2010 03:35 PM

Those are nice. me and two of my friends found three yesterday.

DDP 01-18-2010 03:35 PM

How do you know it's an Old Indian's Camp? Did you find the Old Indian?:D

RLoving1 01-18-2010 03:36 PM

Question for you Jonny...hypothetical! Excavating a camp ground is one thing and cool finds to be had,but if someone said they know of burial ground what would you do? I work in middle of U/T. land and you don't pickup nothing and I do know of camp grounds...have heard of co workers waiting till after rain to poke around it! So is it legal and would you go to the burial grounds to poke around?

Bill in San Jose 01-18-2010 03:56 PM

Do you ever find bones? My understanding is that animal bones darken with age, but human bones stay white?

coogfan 01-18-2010 07:30 PM

Nice recap brother. What's the combination to gate again.

backstrapper77 01-18-2010 07:37 PM

cool find!

coogfan 01-18-2010 08:05 PM

let's get todays finds posted. Snap Snap!!!!!!!!

Johnny 01-18-2010 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill in San Jose (Post 2189843)
Do you ever find bones? My understanding is that animal bones darken with age, but human bones stay white?

I haven't stumbled across any human bones, just a few small animal bones. Brett did come across some old bison teeth which also had some bones mixed in with it. That's about it. This was out in the hill country out towards Leakey.

coon007 01-18-2010 08:41 PM

Man thats cool johnny. I own a ranch in Zapata, co. actually its right on falcon lake and the name of the ranch is Los Indios meaning the indians my grandpa used to tell me thats where the indians would camp Hence the name, well anyways I find arrowheads all the time just by walking around and nice ones but there are chip mounds everywhere like the indians camped there and chipped away. Would you think those places would be good to dig for arrowheads? Never dug for them before

Johnny 01-18-2010 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by coogfan (Post 2190585)
let's get todays finds posted. Snap Snap!!!!!!!!

I will shortly.;)b In the mean time, check out this video. This is the one I was telling you about earlier.


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Johnny 01-18-2010 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by coon007 (Post 2190703)
well anyways I find arrowheads all the time just by walking around and nice ones but there are chip mounds everywhere like the indians camped there and chipped away. Would you think those places would be good to dig for arrowheads? Never dug for them before


Darn straight I do. I would start digging on the outer area of the mounds first instead of right in the mounds. Shoot me a pm and we can discuss this a little more in detail.

Stan R 01-18-2010 08:49 PM

The ranch I hunt has several dry creek beds ... I plan on checking those out on my next visit...

coon007 01-18-2010 08:51 PM

now this are not burial mounds but where maybe a group of indian's sat around and chipped heads I mean how else would hundered of chips come together like that ?

Charles 01-18-2010 08:52 PM

Too cool!

You wouldn't happen to be kin to Indiana Jones would ya?

Farmdog 01-18-2010 08:57 PM

thats BEYOND waaaayy cool

Fullpull 01-18-2010 08:58 PM

Thats great, What do you do with all your finds?

Texpppr 01-18-2010 09:10 PM

Someone who thinks first.. and thus is successful. Gosh what a novel approach. (I was thinking of todays HS students) .lol

TimH 01-18-2010 09:12 PM

very cool! i've been looking for such a spot on my own place.

Bluesman 01-18-2010 09:18 PM

Outstanding!

KickerPoint79 01-18-2010 09:41 PM

Excellent finds as always!

d arrow 01-18-2010 09:41 PM

Man, I am so jealous, arrow head huntin is one of my favorite. Congrats on an awesome finds, ;)b Can I come and play with you folks. :)


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