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chuckc. 02-03-2018 01:51 PM

What has worked for you
 
Iíd like to start a new thread inspired by jitters and vegetarian. We have some very deep talent on this thread (Bish, Roger, Rick just to name a few) and a lot of shooters like me who are struggling but have discovered some things that have helped them to improve.
What has helped you the most? Personally Iíve tried just about everything except personal coaching.
Masters of the barebow helped me get better form and the necessity of putting a bandaid on my nose.
Arnie Moeís rotational draw helped me discover back tension. Jimmy Blackmon showed me the best technique to learn to gap which I absolutely cannot do. I know that an aiming technique would help my accuracy, bu I canít for the life of me focus on the tip of the arrow.
As for Rickís advice of transfer of a spot, Iíve read the book twice and still canít do it. I know it works. This morning I shot three arrows at a 300 round indoor target at 30 yds. One five and two fours just out of the five. I switch to the 3D deer at 18yds and shoot an 8,5 and 0.
Right now to prepare for tbot my daily practice has been one arrow at 18 yds, one at about 23 and one at thirty. I try to end up with an 8 average. Havenít been able to do it yet . Best has be 24 8ís and six 5ís. I donít have ten or twelve rings so it may have been slightly better.
Trad shooters are a tight knit group who generally are willing to help one another, so my hope is that we can get a thread started where we share information that can help all of us become better at our common passion. Need lots of input from you really good shooters. Not to hijack my own post but how in the cornbread h**l do you put a picture on your avatar?

DRT 02-03-2018 02:10 PM

It's easy from Tapatalk. Click on the circle and choose from a pic on your phone.

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RickBarbee 02-03-2018 03:26 PM

Chuck, before you can learn to aim with the tip of the arrow, you have to learn to see it.
Not necessarily focus on it, but see it well enough to use it.

I don't focus on the tip of the arrow. I focus on the spot I want to hit,
but I still see the tip, and am well aware of how the arrow is pointed enough to easily use it.

Get up real close to your target butt as if you were blind bale shooting.
Draw the bow, point the arrow looking at the tip, and shoot.
Don't worry about accuracy, just make sure you keep it on the bag.

Once you get used to seeing the tip, then start moving back a little at a time, and work on actual aiming with the arrow.

(What has worked for you?)
For me, it was learning how to aim, and developing a hard aiming system.
I actually did that rather quickly into learning how to shoot, and it became so natural, that I've been accused of shooting instinctively quite a number of times. :)

Rick

coop 02-03-2018 03:35 PM

I started shooting long before I knew of any literature or anyone with the proper knowledge to help me. I watched Howard Hill, Ben Pearson, Fred Bear, The Thompson bothers, and a few more on movie shorts. Most of y'all are to young to remember those.
I tried to imitate the way they drew, anchored and shot. Not knowing what they were actually doing or how they were doing it. That said, my way of shooting is unorthodox to say the least.
Even though I cant my bow much more than most (from watching the indians in the old west movies) and somewhat snap shoot I've had very good success in target shooting and hunting. I found that practice and repetition worked for me. If you do the same thing the same way consistently you will be consistent. At least it worked for me.

I know this will sound like I'm blowing my own horn and I don't mean too. I just would like to give an example of being consistent in what ever manner you use. I've taken 1'st place and always in the top 5% in several field archery tournaments. When 2D shoots started, I won several and was usually in the top 3. I did very well when 3D shoots came along for several years. I always did extremely well with the moving targets. My most memorable was coming in 11th place out of over 200 shooters with an Indian style self bow in the open class at the State Longbow Championship. There was not a self bow class at that time.

Age and health have taken their toll. I can't handle shooting the 3D shoots anymore but my accuracy on critters is hanging in there.

I guess I've said all that just to say, do the same thing the same way every time and you will usually get the same results. Good hits on the targets and animals you shoot at.

Practice, practice practice. And luck don't hurt either. ;)b;)b;)b

coop 02-03-2018 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RickBarbee (Post 13155549)

I don't focus on the tip of the arrow. I focus on the spot I want to hit,
but I still see the tip, and am well aware of how the arrow is pointed enough to easily use it.



Rick

I've always likened my style of aiming like throwing a baseball. Not using a sighting system per-say. It works very well shooting in the dark when I can't see my arrow.

I never notice the tip of my arrow, however I've come to believe that I am using it subconsciously to some extent at least.

With practice it is a very effect method of aiming. I've seen some very good gap shooters over the years.

Trumpkin 02-03-2018 03:55 PM

The biggest thing that has helped me improve as an archer? I realized it is physically possible to shoot very accurately at long distances with a trad bow, and do it with intention. It used to be that I was surprised when I hit my spot past about 15 yards, now that I know I have the capability I'm disappointed in myself when I miss my spot at 20 yards.

It's amazing what confidence does. I am confident I can learn to shoot tiny little dots at 30 yards or more, if I so desire. Similarly, I am now confident in hitting an animal where I'm looking at 15-20 yards, even if I want an 8 yard shot.

Buff 02-03-2018 04:22 PM

I shot what I would consider about average for 20 years. I hit most of what I shot at but then would miss an easy shot now and then. This was before 3-d but we all gathered up and shot a lot and I was no worst or better than any of my friends.

I started playing a game than improved my ability and my success on animals moved up to close to 100%.

It still use it today.


My target has a 6” bulls eye.
I walk up close to it and shoot, close enough I know I’m not going to miss.
I back up 5 or 6 steps and shoot again. If I hit the dot, I back up. I don’t back up unless it is in the dot, close don’t count.
Every time I hit I back up, if I miss I shoot again until I hit the spot or run out of arrows.

I use 8 or 10 arrows.
Sometimes I run out at 30 yards then the next I may be out at 50.

Not only does it make longer shots seem make able it makes 15or 20 a slam dunk

coop 02-03-2018 05:40 PM

Buff,

I've played that game for a long time. I think it helps and it also makes practicing more enjoyable for me.

JC

DRT 02-03-2018 05:54 PM

My target has a 6" circle with a 2" dot in it. I play that but use the 2" dot. Maybe I should use the 6". I might get past 20 yards.[emoji38]

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chuckc. 02-03-2018 06:19 PM

Keep it coming guys. I’m an old guy too and age has caught up with me. I’ve been shooting Traditional since in was just Archery. No 3D just field Archery. As long as I’ve been shooting I should be better than I am. I know consistency is important as I’ve been a police firearms instructor for several years but I’ve not been able to apply those shooting skills with the bow for some reason.
I can shoot better when I visualize the flight of the arrow but, I know that the ability to aim would improve my accuracy.
I’ll try your technique tomorrow Rick .
Buff, you’ve given some good advice to apply also.
Trumpkin, I’m actually a better shot at 30yds than 15 yds for some reason.
I really believe that I have to develop a strong aiming technique.
Anyway, I hope that others will get on board with their concerns and keep this going.
I tied that with the avatar and keep getting failure to upload.
Thanks

chuckc. 02-03-2018 06:41 PM

Success already
 
I got a avatar now! Thatís me and my brother on a self guided trip to the West Elk Wilderness many years ago. Heís 81 now and Iím 68.

Phillip Fields 02-03-2018 07:11 PM

Like Buff, I use the walk-back a lot. I will vary it by sometimes shooting from a chair or from a kneeling position.

I also like to set up a 3-d target, stand by the target with 4 or 5 arrows and toss them out to various distances and angles. When shooting, ignore the scoring rings and visualize a killing shot.

I have a tripod set up in my back yard. I like to set up 3 or 4 targets at various distances and shoot at them from the tripod, both from the sitting position and from a standing position.

Briar Friar 02-03-2018 08:03 PM

- Walk back every shooting session, given the time:
1) for confidence when my form goes awry
2) up close practice...one hunt I missed a hunkered piglet three times at 2yds with my wheelbow...I backed up to 10 yds and thwacked it good.
- 15yd (ish) mark on my riser.
- Consistently consciously :
1) going to the same first anchor points and
2) having several repeatable points of contact in that first anchor,
3) then after release going to same second anchor point.

Awesome avatar Chuck!

Takin notes over here Boss.

chuckc. 02-03-2018 08:27 PM

Thanks Briar. Once September rolls around all my shooting is done from the same type of stool that’s in my Krivoman and at distances that I limit myself to when hunting.

twillgo 02-04-2018 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckc. (Post 13156164)
Thanks Briar. Once September rolls around all my shooting is done from the same type of stool that’s in my Krivoman and at distances that I limit myself to when hunting.

Hey Chuck,

Mike and I will be looking to shoot with you, Bud, and Corey again this year at some TBoT shoots. Mike has improved his shooting quite a bit and surpassed me this last year.

I've gotten better by establishing three points of contact at anchor and quit fiddling with it or moving it around. Middle finger corner of mouth, cradle jawbone with "C" between thumb/forefinger, nose touching the cock feather. Relaxed hook on string, open bow hand on draw, light wrap of bow hand finger. On release with both hands do nothing (thanks John Schulz). The closer I am to the target or target is downhill, the more I cant the bow.

If I do all that right, I'm likely to hit where I'm looking. But then again, you've seen me shoot!

I've made myself shoot from 10 paces until I hit all arrows on 1 1/2" spots before moving back, then shoot at unknown and varying distances/angles.

Here's to a great upcoming three D season. We will be in Bryan next weekend. See you guys out there!

Todd

chuckc. 02-04-2018 09:36 AM

I won’t be able to make Bryan’ it’s a little far. Looking forward to seeing everyone in Fredericksburg. There’s a lot of us trying to improve. Rick stepped up with this weds first shot challenge. Keep it coming guys.

twillgo 02-04-2018 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by chuckc. (Post 13157097)
I wonít be able to make Bryaní itís a little far. Looking forward to seeing everyone in Fredericksburg. Thereís a lot of us trying to improve. Rick stepped up with this weds first shot challenge. Keep it coming guys.

Oh yeah, Fredericksburg is a good one. We'll be there.

A new First Shot Challenge has been posted by DRT.

Going to shoot it this afternoon.

Todd

chuckc. 02-04-2018 01:19 PM

This morning I setup my practice based on advice gleaned from this thread and I feel like it was one of my better practice seasons. The target was a 300 indoor which has a 3” center (5), and a 6” (4). My goal was a three shot string with nothing outside the 6” 4 ring at progressive distances. I started at 15 yds and moved back after each successful string. I talked myself through each shot with a mantra of “anchor, aim, pull through “ ( back tension). My failure yardage was 35 yards where my best effort was two in and one out.
For me this was a good practice and a confidence builder. By the time I got back to 35 I have to admit that back tension was going out the window as shooting my hunting weight bow was beginning to fatigue me (51#). Thanks for the help guys!

SwampRabbit 02-05-2018 01:02 PM

One thing that kinda helps me sometimes and helps me relax is to shoot at something fun. I like to blow up balloons and shoot at them because I just like watching the balloon pop. I love to hunt rabbits, and I am not going to lie, when you let go of that arrow and you see it hit that rabbit and it flops over, it is the best feeling in the world. Instant feedback.

For Christmas my wife bought me that little 3D set that has the 3 little critters in it. I set the ground hog up behind a piece of rubber that usually holds up my block target. It looks like a ground hog sitting up out of a hole. When I hit that tiny white patch on it's throat and it flops over... it is the most gratifying feeling in the world. I can't get enough of it and it provides that feedback that helps make practice fun.

jerp 02-05-2018 01:35 PM

I have learned many things on this site that have helped me a lot. Of course not all tips "click" with me, but others have been game changers. I will mention two:

1) I made great strides when I separated "form practice" from "aiming practice." I do almost all my form practice at close range in front of a blank bale. Going through my pre-shot routine and ingraining what proper form "feels like" is easier for me when I'm not aiming. I concentrate only on elements of form - back tension, deep hook, anchor, etc. Maybe it's my own brain problem but I cannot consciously think about form and hyper-focus on a spot at the same time.

2) One arrow practice. This has been invaluable, especially during hunting season and the days leading up to a 3d shoot. If I shoot a whole bunch of arrows before I go pull, chances are my mind will wander on several of them. (another "my brain" problem?:rolleyes:) I take one arrow into the back yard and really take my time on each shot. I will shoot from a different spot in the yard each time, always varying distances/angles - between trees, up/down hill etc. Taking a few minutes between shots really helps me focus.

caughtandhobble 02-06-2018 04:27 AM

Other than being very lucky to learn from some of the best, I feel using the same well tuned equipment makes things easier.

Sure that sounds easy enough. Traditional archery is really no different than any other sport, the more you know about it the easier it is to learn well. Keeping your equipment consistent is as important as keeping your form consistent in my opinion.

I have been called a "tuning nerd" understanding tuning and the effects that form has on the shot is important to learn at some point.

I suggest being able to shoot well at 10 yards before trying to shoot 20 yards. Like mentioned above when you practice at 50 yards it can turn a 20 yard shot into a chip shot. The long range shooting takes time and practice but anyone can do it with proper form and practice.

Also, make as many 3D shoots as possible. Making the 3D shoots serve several purposes, fun first and foremost but meeting some of the great shooters we have on this site. Shooting with good shots will bring anyone's shooting up a notch. If it had not been for meeting people at 3D shoots I probably still could not hit my butt with both hands. :)

moe monsarrat 02-06-2018 08:17 AM

There are so many things I could say about this subject I don't know where to start. I suppose the best advice I could give would come after watching a video of you shooting.

shortstroke 91 02-06-2018 10:45 AM

I do "walk back and walk up" together, 1 arrow practice.
I'll start at 5 yards and shoot at a 4" circle, when I hit it I go to 10 yards then 15 then 20 and 25. Then back to 20 and 15 and 10 and 5. All of this is done with 1 arrow so I have plenty of time to walk and relax between shots.
I figure most of my shots will be between 10 and 20 yards on the course so those shots get practiced more.
It comes out like this, 21 shots (only 1 arrow, shoot and pull)
5,10,15,20,25,20,15,10,5,10,15,20,25,20,15,10,5,10 ,15,20,25
5=3 shots
10=5 shots
15=5 shots
20= 5 shots
25 = 3 shots

Junkers88 02-06-2018 02:35 PM

Right now the one biggest thing that is working is having folks on this site reminding me to just relax and enjoy it. I'm stupidly competitive with myself so I get easily frustrated when I'm not making the gains that I feel I should. That of course makes me shoot even worse. If I had to pick one specific "game" that helps the most its the paper plate one. Shoot at a dime sized dot in the middle of a 6" paper plate, if you hit the plate step back 3 yards, if you miss step forwards three yards.

Richard.

moe monsarrat 02-07-2018 01:41 PM

Here is a game I play when practicing: I have a catchers mitt sized circle I shoot at. I count balls and strikes and try to get three outs without walking anybody. Simple but fun. I shoot from 25 yards.

R.Armendariz 02-09-2018 08:38 PM

I will say keep it simple close shots till form becomes automatic slowly over time stretch it out. I stop shooting once my shots start to scatter. I don't over think it if you are having a bad day don't shoot results will be bad. When I have bad day at work I take 3 shots and if they're not where I want them I hang it up and shoot next day. If I get tired I stop take break so I can be on point again when I start shooting again.

DRT 02-09-2018 08:41 PM

I drink a beer or a Crown and DP and shoot.

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M.E.B. 02-10-2018 01:18 AM

I like to shoot clay pigeons hung on a nail on my target butt.


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