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Tuffbroadhead 06-25-2014 02:58 PM

OFFICAL TRAPPING THREAD 2014/2015 season
 
With season fast approaching I figured I would start this seasons thread.

Here are great links to get you all started for a great season.

How to make your own anchors for dog proof traps:

http://discussions.texasbowhunter.co...d.php?t=439902

How to make your own catch pole and acetone kill pole:

http://discussions.texasbowhunter.co...d.php?t=439187

Decent "how to tune your traps" videos:



How to make your own snares video:





If anyone has any requests for information I'm sure one of our veteran trappers can chime in answer.


I would like to see what everyones season goals are this year before we start on this adventure!!


These are NAFA standards for finished Raccoons..

SML- under 20"
MED- 20"-22"
LM- 22"-24"
LGE- 24"-27"
XL- 27"-29"
2XL- 29"-32"
3XL- 32"-35"
4XL- Over 35"

measurements are from tip of nose to the base of tail/skirt


How to paint dip your traps thread I did on trapperman:

http://www.trapperman.com/forum/ubbt...pics/4442329/1


This year we will be selling all of our furs finished to Groenewalds Fur and wool http://gfwco.com/

webstertroy 06-25-2014 03:04 PM

where is the best place to buy some coon traps? I plan on putting the smack down on some this year!!!

Tuffbroadhead 06-25-2014 03:09 PM

You can get them from a current TBH sponsor with great pricing ..

STORE : (855) 299-BUCK (2825)
E-mail: nathan@buckstophunting.com
Phone: (817) 783-2212

Don't hesitate to pick up the phone and call Nate, great guy to deal with.

Your best bet would be to get some Freedom brand dog proofs "DP1"

webstertroy 06-25-2014 03:15 PM

Cool thanks what makes them so good?

Tuffbroadhead 06-25-2014 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webstertroy (Post 8741838)
Cool thanks what makes them so good?

Super easy to set (especially for kids) and the design is bullet proof.

http://larrystrappingsupplies.com/im...to01161616.jpg


We ran 36 of these traps for a 6 day period last year and brought in 66 coons that we kept and released quite a few that were not big enough yet.;)b

webstertroy 06-25-2014 03:23 PM

does it take a tool to set or just do it by hand.. I haven't trapped coons before but in a live trap.. do you use marshmellows?

Tuffbroadhead 06-25-2014 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webstertroy (Post 8741869)
does it take a tool to set or just do it by hand.. I haven't trapped coons before but in a live trap.. do you use marshmellows?

Just a quick squeeze and its set, it also has a push pull trigger design that can be set to tension also.

Marshmellows work great for bait, but so does canned cat food, hard cat food with fish oil added work s great also and is a favorite of ours.

Fergeris 06-25-2014 05:03 PM

I'm ready for the season to start that's for sure. I still have a cat killing my aunts geese!

Tuffbroadhead 06-25-2014 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fergeris (Post 8742263)
I'm ready for the season to start that's for sure. I still have a cat killing my aunts geese!


The waiting is the worst part!!:D



I have way to much to do and not enough time to do it..

Making a few trap line plan adjustments, selling some traps to replace with different ones, need to build a room in my shop to finish out furs, have all the stuff for building a electric skinning setup, and still need to buy 18 more top lot adjustable stretcher's for coon..

TUCO 06-25-2014 06:07 PM

Great thread Dale......;)b

Fergeris 06-25-2014 11:40 PM

[ QUOTE=Tuffbroadhead;8742414]The waiting is the worst part!!:D







I have way to much to do and not enough time to do it..



Making a few trap line plan adjustments, selling some traps to replace with different ones, need to build a room in my shop to finish out furs, have all the stuff for building a electric skinning setup, and still need to buy 18 more top lot adjustable stretcher's for coon..[/QUOTE]

Yes sir I understand that. It's not as bad now since I am private again. But when I was with the state it nearly took a month solid to get everything ready.

TXSTDU 06-25-2014 11:58 PM

What's the market looking like this year? This seems like a fun things to try and a little extra money never hurt anything

Patton 06-26-2014 08:01 AM

Thanks for getting this started, and your opening post is full of info!

Really looking forward to doing some more trapping this year and learning how to be better. We trap for management purposes-- and it's a great way to have fun outside.

BSOB 06-26-2014 08:55 AM

been using cat food with fish oil.....killed over 50 but still have a few smart ones at spots I have killed 3-4 already.

WHat kind of new bait can I throw at them?

Tuffbroadhead 06-26-2014 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TXSTDU (Post 8743942)
What's the market looking like this year? This seems like a fun things to try and a little extra money never hurt anything

Way to early to know anything, the last NAFA sale is Sept 4th-7th, and prices have been all over the place and much lower than last year as to be expected with the overall hot winter the rest of the world had with the US in one of the coldest on record.

The last NAFA sale had mixed results and a record offering of near 800,000 raccoons.

Raccoon 778,063
63% Sales West/Northern Low $19.02 High $105.00
46% Sales West/North Central Low $14.02 High $39.00
37% Sales East/North Central Low $10.26 High $29.00
20% Sales Western/Semi Low $12.33 High $19.00
15% sales Canadian Low $16.53 High $30.00

These are all finished furs green fur prices will be much lower.. As you can see from the numbers clearances were low and prices have leveled out to equal prices from 3-5 years ago.

Beaver
141,101
34% sales Eastern Low$20.36 High $54.00
Western Mainly Withdrawn and pulled from auction
75% sales Section III Low $8.34 High $12.00

Coyote
119,829
100% sales Heavy Low $88.12 High $155.00
100% sales Semi Low $42.92 High $96.00
30% sales Eastern Low $22.82 High $78.00

BOBCAT
22,847
99% sales Western Low $323.07 High $2,150.00
98% sales North Central Low $89.40 High $300.00
100% sales South Western Low $145.30 High $260.00
97% sales Western Canadian Low $209.35 High $550.00
90% sales Eastern Canadian Low $88.38 High $185.00

Wild Grey Fox
19,200
20% sales Eastern Low $28.61 High $35.00
35% sales Western Low $25.80 High $32.00

Please remember these are all finished furs and more than likely the best of the best was offered for auction that is why even the low prices seem high, beaver took a MASSIVE loss this year and really has me thinking of what in the world I'm going to do.


Here are my plans as of right now for this year and the trap totals I will be running. But be aware I will ONLY be trapping Mon-thurs of each week on public property this year with specific target animals on my list. Friday-Sun my 12 yr old son will be hitting my ranchers properties to keep the prey species in check.

27 @ sleepycreek No'4s with Paws-I-Trip steel rod upgraded dogs with Night latch.

12 @ Conibear 330's

38 @ Freedom brand FB1's

12 @ Freedom Brand FB1's on order

As you can see we totally liquidated our small animal line as of yesterday and have replaced it with a additional 12 FB1's for raccoons.

Our target numbers for the year are:

500+ raccoons
40+ beaver
30+ coyotes
10+ bobcats
30+ Greyfox

As you can see we plan on hitting it hard this year and have made the offer to several people to play along, even working on a deal for film work to be submitted to a few shows and as several of you have requested we are also working on a deal for short how-to's to be filmed for a youtube account..

Tuffbroadhead 06-26-2014 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by giterrell (Post 8744458)
been using cat food with fish oil.....killed over 50 but still have a few smart ones at spots I have killed 3-4 already.

WHat kind of new bait can I throw at them?

Something SWEET!!! and change up locations..;)b

TexasLongball 06-26-2014 12:17 PM

THANKS for posting this. My son and I tiptoed in with 6 traps and we'd like to hit it hard this season.

35remington 06-26-2014 12:50 PM

Great thread. Thanks. Got a new YouTube subscription now.

Tuffbroadhead 06-26-2014 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexasLongball (Post 8745173)
THANKS for posting this. My son and I tiptoed in with 6 traps and we'd like to hit it hard this season.

My advice is to stick with a low number of traps and instead invest in learning to finish out your furs. i.e. skinning/fleshing/stretching and drying that way you will see a increase in return for all the hard work that you put into it..

;)b

yanta61 06-26-2014 04:08 PM

I'm trying to get ready....I went to Mccoys today to pick up a few pieces of rebar to make some stakes and drags. I ended up buying a big pile of bent up rebar for $25, Now i have about 50 (10') pieces sticking out the back of my truck.....

yanta61 06-27-2014 01:47 PM

anyone have a pattern or measurements for adjustable coon, cat and coyote stretchers?

hrdwrkncwby76 06-27-2014 02:08 PM

Glad you posted this

Slick8 06-27-2014 02:34 PM

Great post, I have my Dukes all ready to go. My trapping is more about pest control as they are a nuisance on my protein feeder and the ranchers corn crop plus feed storage.

I've added an electronic call and Mojo Critter this and plan to put the 17 HMR to work as well.

wingnut4540 06-27-2014 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuffbroadhead (Post 8745020)
Way to early to know anything, the last NAFA sale is Sept 4th-7th, and prices have been all over the place and much lower than last year as to be expected with the overall hot winter the rest of the world had with the US in one of the coldest on record.

The last NAFA sale had mixed results and a record offering of near 800,000 raccoons.

Raccoon 778,063
63% Sales West/Northern Low $19.02 High $105.00
46% Sales West/North Central Low $14.02 High $39.00
37% Sales East/North Central Low $10.26 High $29.00
20% Sales Western/Semi Low $12.33 High $19.00
15% sales Canadian Low $16.53 High $30.00

These are all finished furs green fur prices will be much lower.. As you can see from the numbers clearances were low and prices have leveled out to equal prices from 3-5 years ago.

Beaver
141,101
34% sales Eastern Low$20.36 High $54.00
Western Mainly Withdrawn and pulled from auction
75% sales Section III Low $8.34 High $12.00

Coyote
119,829
100% sales Heavy Low $88.12 High $155.00
100% sales Semi Low $42.92 High $96.00
30% sales Eastern Low $22.82 High $78.00

BOBCAT
22,847
99% sales Western Low $323.07 High $2,150.00
98% sales North Central Low $89.40 High $300.00
100% sales South Western Low $145.30 High $260.00
97% sales Western Canadian Low $209.35 High $550.00
90% sales Eastern Canadian Low $88.38 High $185.00

Wild Grey Fox
19,200
20% sales Eastern Low $28.61 High $35.00
35% sales Western Low $25.80 High $32.00

Please remember these are all finished furs and more than likely the best of the best was offered for auction that is why even the low prices seem high, beaver took a MASSIVE loss this year and really has me thinking of what in the world I'm going to do.


Here are my plans as of right now for this year and the trap totals I will be running. But be aware I will ONLY be trapping Mon-thurs of each week on public property this year with specific target animals on my list. Friday-Sun my 12 yr old son will be hitting my ranchers properties to keep the prey species in check.

27 @ sleepycreek No'4s with Paws-I-Trip steel rod upgraded dogs with Night latch.

12 @ Conibear 330's

38 @ Freedom brand FB1's

12 @ Freedom Brand FB1's on order

As you can see we totally liquidated our small animal line as of yesterday and have replaced it with a additional 12 FB1's for raccoons.

Our target numbers for the year are:

500+ raccoons
40+ beaver
30+ coyotes
10+ bobcats
30+ Greyfox

As you can see we plan on hitting it hard this year and have made the offer to several people to play along, even working on a deal for film work to be submitted to a few shows and as several of you have requested we are also working on a deal for short how-to's to be filmed for a youtube account..

I have everything but the beaver and you are welcome to come trap at my place in Mason any day. I just want them all gone. 2 years ago we had 3 Coyote's show up and harass our deer, some of my tagged does jumped an 8' fence to get away. I hired a trapper for $100 and he caught 3 coyote's, 6 fox, 2 bobcats and 23 coons in 3 days. Well it helped but they are all back in full force.

35remington 06-27-2014 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wingnut4540 (Post 8749446)
I hired a trapper for $100 and he caught 3 coyote's, 6 fox, 2 bobcats and 23 coons in 3 days. Well it helped but they are all back in full force.


That's incredible.

Slick8 06-27-2014 03:39 PM

[QUOTE=wingnut4540;8749446]I have everything but the beaver and you are welcome to come trap at my place in Mason any day. I just want them all gone. 2 years ago we had 3 Coyote's show up and harass our deer, some of my tagged does jumped an 8' fence to get away. I hired a trapper for $100 and he caught 3 coyote's, 6 fox, 2 bobcats and 23 coons in 3 days. Well it helped but they are all back in full force.[/QUOTE]

That's awesome but you have to stay after them on a regular basis. What you kill in a few days is just what's in the immediate area.

Flint knapper 06-27-2014 03:52 PM

When you remove an animal, it isn't long before a nother animal will move in to take it's place! This is especially true with coyotes and bobcats!

Tuffbroadhead 06-29-2014 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wingnut4540 (Post 8749446)
I have everything but the beaver and you are welcome to come trap at my place in Mason any day. I just want them all gone. 2 years ago we had 3 Coyote's show up and harass our deer, some of my tagged does jumped an 8' fence to get away. I hired a trapper for $100 and he caught 3 coyote's, 6 fox, 2 bobcats and 23 coons in 3 days. Well it helped but they are all back in full force.

I bet we have a TBH'er in your area that might be able to help you out..;)b

That's a little far to drive for me..

When trapping a area you need to understand there are three layers of animals to any given ecosystem in regards to predators.

You have your residents that live in the area, satellite animals that come and go and full nomadic animals that are just passing through, the residents are easy to catch and the longer you stay at it the more of the 2nd and 3rd teir animals you will catch and really put a hurt on them..takes time and dedication but it can be done by a trapper that's worth his salt.

I just finished up my last customer of the spring, and have been charging 500.00 for 2 weeks of trapping with guaranteed results for deer leases.

What most seem to overlook is during whelping season a mated pair of coyotes can take a fawn a day for over a month to feed the pups..

Tuffbroadhead 07-02-2014 11:55 AM

WOW!!!!! I have a newfound respect for anyone who paddles a boat of any kind!!!

We ended up doing 28 miles in a day and a half on our trapline scouting trip on the river, even with last weeks rains it was hard work and about 20% of the time was spent dragging the canoe across the sand bars and shallows.

But we did see plenty of great beaver and coon sign with a bit of otter sign tossed into the mix, but the real issue is now gaining access to those areas because they are land locked with the only public access being on each end of a 28 mile section of river.

BUT there is hope!! It seems my daughter "knows" who owns two of the seasonal mansions that sit on top of the river cliffs and I might be able to get access in the middle of the section!!

A lot of prime area that has not been touched just like last year, and its holding big numbers...

We got to spend some great father son time and even caught our own dinner....

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...84859274_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...16765338_n.jpg

Patton 07-02-2014 12:03 PM

Awesome pictures Tuff, looks like a great scouting trip

Tuffbroadhead 07-02-2014 02:08 PM

Finally made my way back out into the shop to snap a few pictures of trap tuning for various DP's and legholds that I use.

First up is a Freedom Brand FB1 that I use and so far have not found a DP that even comes close for kids or anyone for that matter to set and use, simple operation, just squeeze the plate and "click" its set, or step on it and set it, push pull trigger.

I tuned this trap for a short trigger set, you will notice in the picture the gap between the dog and plate, it only has to move 1/32 before it is triggered. To achieve this is simple, pair of pliers and bend the dog outwards till you get it set to your liking. Picture is not that great..

https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/...84870376_n.jpg

Next up is the Duke DP (I only have 2). I bought these for a test and was not really happy with them, Diablo, z-traps, Freedom brand FB2's and quite a few others are all in the same boat and have a very close design. The come factory with a pull only trigger (some state require it) so the first thing I did was modify them for a push/pull trigger. First was to notch the dog(Dremel) and then remove the trigger and bend it sideways to allow for a push or pull, then reinstall it with a small bolt with a pair of nuts and washers to keep the trigger centered.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.n...46927041_n.jpg

https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/...88435205_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...49716149_n.jpg

This next tune/mod can be done to most of the leghold style of traps and some even come factory with a "night latched" dog.

First was to set the pan tension (amount of weight required to trigger the trap) to my liking, I prefer mine to be on the heavier side to negate it being set off by non target animals and also give the target animal enough trust to commit his full weight thus getting a full pad catch in the trap. Then I moved on to installing the new Paws-I-Trip dogs and removing the old flat style factory dogs. You will notice they are factory night latched with a 1/32 notch on the end, when setting the trap you will hear a "click" as the pan settles onto the notch.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.n...26775391_n.jpg

Once installed you will need to tune it by slightly bending the part of the trap frame were the dog attaches bending it outward or inward to make sure that your pan sets FLAT...

I ordered these about 3/16's to long because they were on clearance 50% off instead of ordering the correct size..LOL.. You can see that I also added a bend into the dog its self to eat some distance also..

But in the end you have a trap that is night latched with a pan that is setting flat..

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.n...28062376_n.jpg

texas bound 07-02-2014 03:27 PM

You going to do any trapping out at Jason's? I know we have a good bit of coons around.

Tuffbroadhead 07-02-2014 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texas bound (Post 8766895)
You going to do any trapping out at Jason's? I know we have a good bit of coons around.

Yes Sir, if they(Jason and the other lease north of his house that had me out) want me to come back it will be after deer season is over so there is not any issues with hunting and me trapping. We took quite a few coons and coyotes out of the area for them last year..;)b

texas bound 07-02-2014 03:40 PM

The place north of town I dont believe you hit. I hunt up there and have a coon issue right now.

Tuffbroadhead 07-02-2014 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texas bound (Post 8766947)
The place north of town I dont believe you hit. I hunt up there and have a coon issue right now.

Nope sure didn't brother, we had hit the place north of his house pretty hard and had just started on his place and the place south of his house a few miles when all of the ice and snow showed up, it put a damper on the plans.

texas bound 07-02-2014 03:52 PM

Jason told me you were doing pretty good out there. I have 3 coon cuffs coming tomorrow so hopefully I can put a dent in them for now.

Tuffbroadhead 07-02-2014 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texas bound (Post 8766994)
Jason told me you were doing pretty good out there. I have 3 coon cuffs coming tomorrow so hopefully I can put a dent in them for now.

Brother, with all the information you have been provided with you will do just fine and have a lot of fun along the way..

Any questions feel free to give me a shout brother.;)b

yanta61 07-02-2014 03:57 PM

Dale what brand and size is that trap in the last pic you posted...The pan looks high on that trap.


hopefully I can get some drags made today and maybe a frame for a bobcat cage trap...

Tuffbroadhead 07-02-2014 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yanta61 (Post 8767012)
Dale what brand and size is that trap in the last pic you posted...The pan looks high on that trap.


hopefully I can get some drags made today and maybe a frame for a bobcat cage trap...

Those are Sleepycreek No4's , and you would be correct. The pan does set higher than the frame ends.

DUKFVR 07-02-2014 11:49 PM

Wish you were closer to me. I would hire you to come put the fear of God in the varmints! LOL!

Hillbillie 07-03-2014 01:29 AM

Does anyone trap up near Sam houston NF I wanna start up there this year

Tuffbroadhead 07-03-2014 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DUKFVR (Post 8768466)
Wish you were closer to me. I would hire you to come put the fear of God in the varmints! LOL!

Yeap, Anna/Coleman area would be a bit of a drive:D I think I need to buy a Prius, lol!!!


We need to start a Trappers Location thread so that lease members, land owners can look and see who is the closest trapper to them and were they will travel too, kinda like the tracking dog tread.;)b

Patton 07-03-2014 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuffbroadhead (Post 8769297)
Yeap, Anna/Coleman area would be a bit of a drive:D I think I need to buy a Prius, lol!!!


We need to start a Trappers Location thread so that lease members, land owners can look and see who is the closest trapper to them and were they will travel too, kinda like the tracking dog tread.;)b

That would be neat. I'd like to do a little 'ride-along' with a trapper sometime and try to learn a bit

yanta61 07-03-2014 10:33 AM

10 down probably need to build another 10

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/07/03/ugyrudug.jpg

Fergeris 07-03-2014 10:37 AM

I like your drags Yanta. But man I would have a hard time burying them down here lol

Tuffbroadhead 07-03-2014 10:40 AM

Good looking drags brother!!

Its hard to tell from the pics are they flat? Or did you give them a bit of rotation to dig in?

yanta61 07-03-2014 10:57 AM

most of the time I just run the drag off to the side and only bury the chain.... The ground around here is rock hard caliche and if I was ever able to get a stake in, I wouldn't ever be able to get it back out. I like how easy and quick it is to set a trap with a drag. The brush is so thick around here that most of the time they don't get 5-10' from the trap bed.

one tip is angled down and one up....

Tuffbroadhead 07-03-2014 11:51 AM

Ok guys, I was curious about our State trappers assoc. so I sent them a quick email asking a few viable questions..

The email speaks for its self.. and I will keep everyone up dated..



Dale Love <mrdalelove@gmail.com>
10:47 AM (0 minutes ago)
to jordan.trapper.

Jordan, my name is Dale , I have trapped for many years and ran everything from long lines to ADC work in Oklahoma and Texas, and trapping is a passion and way of life that I want to pass along to my children and onto theirs..as well as others that are interested in trapping.


I have looked into joining your organization and before I commit I would like to ask a few questions.

The first thing that I noticed is the website is not kept up to date some updates are from 2009 and nothing newer.


Were will me dues be utilized?

Does the State association represent us at a state level to protect and watch out for our rich history and tradition of trapping?

I want to know that my dues and my time spent representing this organization will be beneficial to our State trappers .
Thanks
Dale Love

hrdwrkncwby76 07-03-2014 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuffbroadhead (Post 8769297)
Yeap, Anna/Coleman area would be a bit of a drive:D I think I need to buy a Prius, lol!!!





We need to start a Trappers Location thread so that lease members, land owners can look and see who is the closest trapper to them and were they will travel too, kinda like the tracking dog tread.;)b



Great idea

hrdwrkncwby76 07-03-2014 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The General (Post 8769489)
That would be neat. I'd like to do a little 'ride-along' with a trapper sometime and try to learn a bit


You could also try contacting the county or city animal control and see if they have a local trapper you could ride with


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