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    Need advice.

    So my new arrows are hitting high and to the left. Thats the problem now let me give you the back story. I was shooting 400 spine full length arrow with 50gr insert and 150gr gt trads. I was hittin pretty good with them but my groups sucked. I went to a very trusted bow shop and the guy shoots trad and he told me i was under spined for my 50lbs at 27.5" bow. So we cut them down, bareshafted and paper tuned them. There pretty much touching except now hitting high and left 6". I also bought some fmj and did the same. So after seeing high and to the left i shot some of the old arrows i had left that were full length and i hitting bulls again. So why do the arrows that are grouping so well hitting high and left but the arrows that were never bare shafted hitting the bull. Im stumped.

    #2
    I would guess the ones that are grouping together are the better tuned arrows, but that is just a guess. I wonder if it could be that you were used to aiming in a certain way to make the other shafts hit near the center, and now your brain has to reprogram to put the new ones in the center??? No way to really know though, over the computer. The only sure way to tell is through personal tuning, either paper or bare shaft.

    Bisch

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      #3
      Like Bisch said, over the computer is difficult.

      But... 50#s at 27"... 400 spine seems like you are setup to be OVERSPINED to me. How long were those arrows? As a comparison, with a similar draw weight and length, I am using 500 spine arrows cut to 29" with the same weight you have on yours.

      Given you are hitting left, that might be the case. I tend to group better with stiffer arrows too, they just don't hit anywhere near where I am looking. I am a gap shooter, so I can tell when my left to right is "off" in relationship to where my arrow shaft is pointing. I hear some guys saying to reprogram their brain... and if you are shooting instinctive, then you have to adjust... but for guys looking down the arrow shaft... saying look more to the left just doesn't make much sense.

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        #4
        I have had certain arrows do that to me before and was able to straighten the back out by rotating the shaft 180 degrees with the cock feather in...don't know if this will help you or not. Like Bisch said, bare shafting or paper tuning would probably be benificial in this situation

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          #5
          I hear from time to time, guys wanting to buy or tune arrows to hit where they are looking. In my mind, this is bad logic. I think you find the arrows that fly great out of your bow, no porposing up or down and no fish tailing side to side (bare shaft tune), and then you train your brain to shoot them well.

          Any time you change something, be it a bow, arrow, tab, broadhead, there is going to be a learning curve to get your mojo back.

          Think of it like this. You are sitting on your couch throwing a tennis ball into a trash can on the other side of the room, and you are good at it. Now you have to switch to a baseball, well you are going to suck for a bit until you get use to the new weight, but pretty soon, you will be as good as you were with tennis ball.

          You just have to shoot those new arrows enough to reprogram your head into putting them in the bullseye. At least that is what I believe. Good luck with it.

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            #6
            Well today i went out and shot a couple and im getting them closer to the bull. Actually the further away i am from the target the bettet the shot. If i get with in 10 yards the arrow hits high left. The arrows are 28.75" with the factory 50gr insert. I ordered some 100 gr brass inerserts and if it doesnt get any better i will try and weaken the spine alittle. I just hate to waste those expensive arrows.

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              #7
              Originally posted by SwampRabbit View Post
              Like Bisch said, over the computer is difficult.

              But... 50#s at 27"... 400 spine seems like you are setup to be OVERSPINED to me. How long were those arrows? As a comparison, with a similar draw weight and length, I am using 500 spine arrows cut to 29" with the same weight you have on yours.

              Given you are hitting left, that might be the case. I tend to group better with stiffer arrows too, they just don't hit anywhere near where I am looking. I am a gap shooter, so I can tell when my left to right is "off" in relationship to where my arrow shaft is pointing. I hear some guys saying to reprogram their brain... and if you are shooting instinctive, then you have to adjust... but for guys looking down the arrow shaft... saying look more to the left just doesn't make much sense.

              I think you might be rt i shoot 50# @ 27"" outta my widow and my arrows are gtip 500's cut to 28.5" and they fly great but i have 200grn tips

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                #8
                Originally posted by Slaughterhog View Post
                Well today i went out and shot a couple and im getting them closer to the bull. Actually the further away i am from the target the bettet the shot. If i get with in 10 yards the arrow hits high left. The arrows are 28.75" with the factory 50gr insert. I ordered some 100 gr brass inerserts and if it doesnt get any better i will try and weaken the spine alittle. I just hate to waste those expensive arrows.
                Sounds like the new arrows are shorter, lighter, so they have flatter trajectory. That could explain the high shot at shorter distances. I have no clue about the left. Just my thoughts

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